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Jeff Pomerantz's avatar

I am not a conspiracy theorist. But when observing human behavior I tend to agree that “leopards don’t change their spots.” Donald Trump has consistently cheated at everything in life. He cheated in business (valuing properties either higher or lower to avoid taxes and get loans), cheated on his wives, cheats at golf (!), cheated in 2020 (taped conversation trying to pressure Georgia Sec of State to find another 11,000 votes). Does anyone believe that Donald Trump (to quote that “courageous” Senator Susan Collins) learned his lesson from 2020 and decided to run a clean campaign?

I don’t understand how Democrats ran on “democracy is on the ballot” and then just shrug their shoulders at the result.

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vorpal's avatar

This is the way the world ends

This is the way the world ends

This is the way the world ends

Not with a bang but a whimper.

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human being's avatar

This

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Old Man Shadow's avatar

I'm not sure what they should have done because I don't know yet what to do myself.

A majority of American voters said they were okay with a criminal taking supreme executive power. They were okay with a rapist running the nation. They were okay with a profoundly stupid, egotistical, childish buffoon being President. They were okay with losing democracy. They were okay with bringing back internment camps. They were okay with persecuting a minority. They were okay with removing the bodily autonomy of women.

What do you say to those people?

The message of liberalism and human rights and compassion and decency and joy was soundly told to go fuck itself by seventy-seven million Americans, and I'm not sure it will ever win again.

What the fuck do you do? I've been staring in shock as half the family is pouring gasoline on the house fire and sealing up the exits while we're all still inside.

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Eva Porter's avatar

I was about to post something similar but you said it much better.

In my brain is the image of a bully, much bigger than me, his hand on my forehead holding me beyond arm’s length as I feebly punch the air in a futile attempt to actually land a blow. That’s how I feel. The bullies and villains won. The people are delusional or stupid. Is it me? Did I miss something?

No one is coming to save us.

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Kari Bentley-Quinn's avatar

I honestly am not sure what the Dems should have done here - that's not a defense, just truly honestly not sure. TFG won the election, though we could use the term "won" very loosely since SCOTUS and Musk effectively bought it for him. The GOP out-maneuvered us again. If the Dems fought the certification, they would just throw it back in their faces that they were simply trying to do the same in 2020. If they didn't, it looks like unconditional surrender. As usual, its a lose-lose.

Merrick Garland should have prosecuted Trump. Or at the very least, found a way to disqualify him from holding office. He didn't. So here we are.

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Stephen Robinson's avatar

Yeah, the problem is that the GOP is allowed to set narratives. I mean, prosecuting political opponents for no reason is wrong but that doesn’t mean that prosecuting Trump (for good reason) was also wrong. It’s this overall moral relativism. The Big Lie of election fraud in 2020 shouldn’t mean we cower from objecting to the election of someone who shouldn’t have been on the ballot bc he staged a coup

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Kari Bentley-Quinn's avatar

oh I totally agree. One of the biggest faults of the Democratic Party is how they ceded narratives to the GOP. One of the BIGGIES being abortion. They let them control that narrative for decades. UGH.

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Linda1961 is woke and proud's avatar

𝑴𝒐𝒏𝒅𝒂𝒚 𝒘𝒂𝒔 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒂 “𝒑𝒆𝒂𝒄𝒆𝒇𝒖𝒍 𝒕𝒓𝒂𝒏𝒔𝒇𝒆𝒓 𝒐𝒇 𝒑𝒐𝒘𝒆𝒓.” 𝑰𝒕 𝒘𝒂𝒔 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒄𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒐𝒇 𝒂 𝒔𝒍𝒐𝒘-𝒎𝒐𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒄𝒐𝒖𝒑 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒃𝒆𝒈𝒂𝒏 𝒊𝒏 2020.

Bingo!

As for that little shit, Fake Moses Johnson, he can lie all he wants about the traitorous whiner's victory, but it wasn't a landslide. Dems have been cowed, hence no objections. The worst thing is that most in the MSM have either been cowed as well, or agree with the repubs. The Fourth Estate has failed us.

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SethTriggs's avatar

Well it only looks like the threat was exaggerated, because Americans actually chose this outcome and they spoke loud and clear either by their absence or the support for President Klan Robe. Americans actually don't care for democracy as much as long as the people they don't like are hurt. And I 'respect' that. I don't really see the point of demanding people from Kamala Harris on down to light themselves on a pyre and martyr themselves when nobody stood up for them when it counted. Nobody looked at the hatchet work done by the MSM segments of the rightwing media human centipede and said, "Hey maybe we should back these people up."

I myself am glad that I don't have to wonder anymore. I know Americans will gladly take it in the neck as long as minorities they don't like get sliced up. After all look at how there's no followups that President Klan Robe says that 'lowering grocery prices is very hard, actually and it might not happen.' And he's free to do that because of Murc's Law.

I mean I'm looking around, did even St. Bernie (I) raise hell and call out this election as a victory for the millionaires and billionaires? A lot of people are just kinda ignoring the other context, that it's considered that Democrats holding power is invalid because of WHO we represent.

Look at how the legal system bends over backwards with affordances for the unreconstructed too! In the end this is just going to have to be a case where we somehow survive to when the American electorate upgrades. Similarly to how our ancestors had to wait for America to upgrade in the shadow of the first Taney Court.

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CripesAmighty's avatar

Somehow, can't escape the imagery of Ismay, Astor and co. Donning their finest and adjusting their ties and cummerbunds to ride the Titanic to the bottom.

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MzNicky in East Jesus, TN's avatar

Danny Hodges posted this yesterday on Bluesky, after attending the electoral vote count:

“Well, that was less eventful than I remember.”

And also: “I don't have any trenchant insights to report. It was a dry, procedural affair - the way it was supposed to be, four years ago. It was depressing hearing people in the gallery clap every time votes for Trump were tallied.”

Schiff used Danny as a borrowed-valor prop. It was shameless. The Democrats are digging their own graves, and ours too, by tacitly approving this gross handover of power to the incoming Fascist regime. Not even with a sigh, and barely a whimper.

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Trystan's avatar

The SCOTUS gave the presidents the power of emperor's, Joe Biden ran in "democracy is on the ballot" and refused to use the power of Cincinnatus. I like a lot of what he did and it sucks it's come down to this but this new admin will show that yes the President has that power and Biden tried to be above it all..it's all so frustrating

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SethTriggs's avatar

The SCOTUS only gave that power to criminal Presidents. It's only for crimes committed as President, not the usual legislation and such. This is the key and part of the kind of shading of rules that's typical in unreconstructed environments as part of visiting deprivation upon Black people, for example.

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MzNicky in East Jesus, TN's avatar

Here’s a comment from former MPD officer Michael Fanone, who fought alongside Danny Hodges at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and also got his ass kicked just for doing his job:

“I believe democracy in this country is dead, and it died when the Supreme Court granted the president of the United States immunity for official acts and then failed to define what the fuck official acts are.”

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