If it makes everyone feel better neither of these clods are getting the nomination and not just because they both see more value if smearing the other in a tell-all than they do in ripping Republicans a new one. They both just have the lousiest political instincts and this brouhaha shows it.
Voters don’t care what your policy positions are, they don’t care if Kamala’s team was rude to you or if Josh didn’t know his place on the ticket. They are clamoring for a fighter the same way Republicans did in 2016, and Republicans then didn’t weigh Trump’s politics (which changed with the wind). Newsom is trying to fit that role, but even he falters (to do it you need to be consistently outrageous enough to dominate media coverage cycle after cycle).
Dems want a candidate who essentially says “I will erase everything Trump did, wipe him out of the history books, punish the shit out of everyone who enabled him. I will be a sword of retribution from Day One.” The kind of candidate who we can imagine will round up Trump, his cronies, and every ICE agent who happily carried out his wishes, stuff them in planes and dump them in Venezuela or Iran so their governments can deal with them, and when the media complains just say “oops, we thought that was Disneyland, but we can’t get them back now for the same reason we couldn’t get that Garcia guy back from El Salvador. Look it up, you believed their bullshit last time, you taint twaddling hacks.”
I didn't learn anything about Harris from Shapiro's accounts regarding Harris, but learned much about Shapiro from Shapiro's accounts regarding Harris.
I don't believe that the American political system will survive until 2028 so to me the question of who runs in 2028 is moot.
I don't have any idea what system, if any other than dictatorship, will be in place in 2028, but somehow I just don't see it. The 2026 elections will be the breaking point for this country, because the Trumpistas cannot allow a democratic congress. So either they'll break or the system breaks, and I'm betting the system doesn't survive. Would be glad to be wrong.
I ask anyone who thinks this can end in 2028 to describe what Trump legally and peacefully handing over power might look like, especially when he knows he could face prosecution and ruin if he is out of power.
Shapiro tanked PA for Harris deliberately. He Housewifed her as his own notes make clear. Couldn't get his ego out of the way for the good of the country.
Well, always awful to see something like this happen. It's great for...well...pundits?
I assume now these two are going to be horrible enemies. Though Kamala Harris isn't going to have a political career anymore so *shrugs.* She got stopped and punished and that's what's important.
Given the long time relationship that the US has had with Israel, and the particularly awful current Netanyahu administration and its destruction of Gaza and cozy connections to Trump, the last thing the US needs anywhere near the White House is a rabid supporter of everything that Israel does. Shapiro is a no go.
Please not this guy for 28. Or Newsom, or Harris. Please, someone NOT entrenched in the democratic party for the last 30 years. If we have to have a white guy, Tim Walz is great. I'm still for Liz Warren but I get that old and woman might not happen in my lifetime.
Trumpism isn’t an aberration. It’s who we are at this point. Normalcy is going to look much different going forward. I’m 62 and not sure I’ll live to see it.
Verifying that Tim Walz was the best choice. I was almost 100% certain that she was going to choose Shapiro, so when she chose the guy that I wanted I was so all in. It was such a smart choice. But apparently a miracle wanted fascism over democracy. I'm actually one of those few far lefties that actually liked Harris a lot. I still don't get what people's problem with her was. I mean certainly there were some details that I took issue with. Some pretty big ones, but considering the alternative? What the fuck happened
It’s a question Democrats really need to answer. Much of the country told them loudly they would prefer a dangerous loon to any of them (remember, they all got clobbered, not just Harris). And when you’ve sunk that low in the public’s eyes-the party as a whole is about as popular as lung cancer right now-that’s a *Dem* problem, not an electorate problem.
(I don’t think you meant to say you liked terrorists a lot, btw…)
The secret sauce is a lot of Democrats actually are misogynistic. But there's also people who need an excuse—any tiny one will do—to sandbag a nominee and feel pure. And of course there are racist Democrats—Joe Manchin for example was particularly suspect. And really a lot of this is just a reflection of how broken American political science is.
I think you're right. And I think, because Democrats understand misogyny is bad, we are afraid to really talk about how misogynistic we are as a nation- that is, while maybe not a "both sides are the same" issue, certainly a "both sides are guilty of this" one.
I think that the bigger issue is that people were/are sick and tired of politics as usual (I mean, one of Joe Biden's pitches was a "return to normalcy" and the electorate was having none of it). Democrats as a whole are singularly unable to articulate what they would do to change that and they can't, mostly because they're a big part of the history of the problem. I can honestly understand why, in 2016, a lot of people decided to take a flyer on Trump (2024 is a whole other story). So, we have one party out of control, and one party paralyzed. It's a recipe for the disaster it is.
If it makes everyone feel better neither of these clods are getting the nomination and not just because they both see more value if smearing the other in a tell-all than they do in ripping Republicans a new one. They both just have the lousiest political instincts and this brouhaha shows it.
Voters don’t care what your policy positions are, they don’t care if Kamala’s team was rude to you or if Josh didn’t know his place on the ticket. They are clamoring for a fighter the same way Republicans did in 2016, and Republicans then didn’t weigh Trump’s politics (which changed with the wind). Newsom is trying to fit that role, but even he falters (to do it you need to be consistently outrageous enough to dominate media coverage cycle after cycle).
Dems want a candidate who essentially says “I will erase everything Trump did, wipe him out of the history books, punish the shit out of everyone who enabled him. I will be a sword of retribution from Day One.” The kind of candidate who we can imagine will round up Trump, his cronies, and every ICE agent who happily carried out his wishes, stuff them in planes and dump them in Venezuela or Iran so their governments can deal with them, and when the media complains just say “oops, we thought that was Disneyland, but we can’t get them back now for the same reason we couldn’t get that Garcia guy back from El Salvador. Look it up, you believed their bullshit last time, you taint twaddling hacks.”
I didn't learn anything about Harris from Shapiro's accounts regarding Harris, but learned much about Shapiro from Shapiro's accounts regarding Harris.
To be fair, other observers have made similar observations.
I don't believe that the American political system will survive until 2028 so to me the question of who runs in 2028 is moot.
I don't have any idea what system, if any other than dictatorship, will be in place in 2028, but somehow I just don't see it. The 2026 elections will be the breaking point for this country, because the Trumpistas cannot allow a democratic congress. So either they'll break or the system breaks, and I'm betting the system doesn't survive. Would be glad to be wrong.
I ask anyone who thinks this can end in 2028 to describe what Trump legally and peacefully handing over power might look like, especially when he knows he could face prosecution and ruin if he is out of power.
Yeah, couldn't agree more.
Shapiro tanked PA for Harris deliberately. He Housewifed her as his own notes make clear. Couldn't get his ego out of the way for the good of the country.
No he didn't.
Well, always awful to see something like this happen. It's great for...well...pundits?
I assume now these two are going to be horrible enemies. Though Kamala Harris isn't going to have a political career anymore so *shrugs.* She got stopped and punished and that's what's important.
Given the long time relationship that the US has had with Israel, and the particularly awful current Netanyahu administration and its destruction of Gaza and cozy connections to Trump, the last thing the US needs anywhere near the White House is a rabid supporter of everything that Israel does. Shapiro is a no go.
Please not this guy for 28. Or Newsom, or Harris. Please, someone NOT entrenched in the democratic party for the last 30 years. If we have to have a white guy, Tim Walz is great. I'm still for Liz Warren but I get that old and woman might not happen in my lifetime.
A good rule is “someone nobody has heard of prior to 2026.”
YES
Judging by what's happening to Jasmine Crockett, it's clear that there won't be the appetite for a Black woman for sure.
She's awesome but alas....America.
Can I vent for a moment? I'm tired of social progress being held back by a bunch of fucking cavemen in MAGA hats. Sorry, I know that's harsh.
Vent away, but it's not just the cavemen who are blocking social progress.
Trump wasn’t entrenched in the GOP either, and look how that’s worked out.
I will continue to hold the optimistic belief that trump is an abhorration and will not be repeated. Yeah, I know, wishful thinking.
Trumpism isn’t an aberration. It’s who we are at this point. Normalcy is going to look much different going forward. I’m 62 and not sure I’ll live to see it.
Verifying that Tim Walz was the best choice. I was almost 100% certain that she was going to choose Shapiro, so when she chose the guy that I wanted I was so all in. It was such a smart choice. But apparently a miracle wanted fascism over democracy. I'm actually one of those few far lefties that actually liked Harris a lot. I still don't get what people's problem with her was. I mean certainly there were some details that I took issue with. Some pretty big ones, but considering the alternative? What the fuck happened
It’s a question Democrats really need to answer. Much of the country told them loudly they would prefer a dangerous loon to any of them (remember, they all got clobbered, not just Harris). And when you’ve sunk that low in the public’s eyes-the party as a whole is about as popular as lung cancer right now-that’s a *Dem* problem, not an electorate problem.
(I don’t think you meant to say you liked terrorists a lot, btw…)
The secret sauce is a lot of Democrats actually are misogynistic. But there's also people who need an excuse—any tiny one will do—to sandbag a nominee and feel pure. And of course there are racist Democrats—Joe Manchin for example was particularly suspect. And really a lot of this is just a reflection of how broken American political science is.
I think you're right. And I think, because Democrats understand misogyny is bad, we are afraid to really talk about how misogynistic we are as a nation- that is, while maybe not a "both sides are the same" issue, certainly a "both sides are guilty of this" one.
I think that the bigger issue is that people were/are sick and tired of politics as usual (I mean, one of Joe Biden's pitches was a "return to normalcy" and the electorate was having none of it). Democrats as a whole are singularly unable to articulate what they would do to change that and they can't, mostly because they're a big part of the history of the problem. I can honestly understand why, in 2016, a lot of people decided to take a flyer on Trump (2024 is a whole other story). So, we have one party out of control, and one party paralyzed. It's a recipe for the disaster it is.
I agree. I think Democrats are convinced that a Slotkin is more electable than an AOC, when that might not be the case.
I think AOC is vastly underestimated, both as a statewide and potentially national candidate.
"Democrats as a whole are singularly unable to articulate what they would do to change that "
republicans are even WORSE in that regard...people preferred hate and chaos over more or less normalcy
Clearly not, since they keep voting for it.
woops. I wrote it wrong...corrected
Honestly, 45 years of Democratic fecklessness encapsulated right here. It's no wonder we're losing this constant battle.