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Dave Zimny's avatar

This is an excellent article, and that conclusion comes from a long-time Star Trek fan (who once saw Patrick Stewart on stage in the Pinter play "No Man's Land" -- he was awesome!). But I'm not comfortable with any analysis that makes such a cut-and-dried distinction between liberalism and progressivism. I prefer Edmund Fawcett's interpretation in his masterful history, LIBERALISM: THE LIFE OF AN IDEA. Fawcett believes that liberalism has historically been a coherent ensemble of mutually supportive values rather than a strict ideology. Some liberals may stress one value more than another; some of the relevant values may even potentially contradict or constrain each other. By this reading, progressivism is the variety of liberalism that honors the coherence of liberal values, but puts special stress on the value of equality. Since I consider myself both a progressive and a liberal, that's the construal that best fits my own beliefs.

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Fluttbucker's avatar

She paints her "former movement" with a typically broad brush. There are always plenty of "Fuck The Police/Smash The State" folks to be found on both fringes. The terminology differs, but the thought is the same.

My own anecdote for the debate came yesterday in a Big Lots store. They were selling USA Flag T-shirts with a fresh new look. The Flag was of traditional design. The new twist was the star field and strips were in contrasting camouflage colors. Red, white, and blue were nowhere to be found. Not even the Thin Blue Line got any real estate. The sentiment may not be fully articulated by the purchaser, but the message is spotlight clear: It's time for an authoritarian regime under military discipline.

When I see unironic hammer and sickle merch sold in the box stores, I'll start worrying about the Progressive threat.

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