Interesting take. As a person who is Jewish, but young enough and having a family who emigrated early enough to not feel the direct effects of the Holocaust, and also being white my take would be, for better or worse, devoid of any of that.
I simply saw it as the writers version of a utopian society of people that only cared about justice and good vs bad. How they got there never occurred to me. Most likely because I’ve never suffered those effects.
I can see how just glossing over those atrocities would be more galling to someone who was victimized by them.
There probably was an opportunity to add a scene that would have explained how we got there that could have been beneficial.
As one of the [checks notes] 6 people on the planet who really liked "Tomorrowland", I'll absolutely state that I am glad that the new FF movie doesn't feel the need to explain why their world isn't a grimdark hellscape reality, but just present it as the better world that it is. I honestly think that's one reason it's done such big box office, too.
The real world is exhaustingly, grindingly, and seemingly unstoppably going to hell in front of our eyes every damn day. A glimpse of how the world could have been someplace better, no matter that it doesn't come with 47 ponderous Tolkienesque volumes of detailed back history, is refreshing, and a kind of respite from the real world everyone needs to recharge for the next day of reality.
( and I say this as someone who has read damn near every book of JRR's vast archive of scribbled notes and story starts that have been published in the wake of LOTR by his son and probably have reread the actual trilogy double-digits of times)
Agreed. I didn't enjoy Superman 2025 or Wicked because the movies presented a world (an America) in which we are living. I don't need to also see it on the silver screen, as I see films for the fantasy. I didn't love the Fantastic Four for other reasons, though I did like it. I guess I'm one of the six who liked Tomorrowland 😀.
I've read most of JRR's vast archive of scribbled notes (he recycled before recycling was cool). As for reading the trilogy double digits of times over the last 45 years - yep, I've done that too. I love how Aragorn started out as a Hobbit named Trotter, and wore wooden shoes.
Your points are well taken; I don't remember much about the Fantastic 4 other than I watched the Saturday morning cartoon and my mom, who was about 27 at the time, thought animated Reed Richards was handsome.
Right now, I guess I'm just hungry for an idealized world where people work together for a common purpose. Got me right in the feels...though I will admit that "The Incredibles" got into my head re: Franklin/Jack Jack (no, F4 already HAS a human torch!)
Haven't seen it yet, but your spoiler-free analysis is the exact opposite of the umbrage-rich takes on super heroes that inflames the internet. I'd never heard that Reed and Ben were vets, which makes sense. I wonder what Kyle Chandler's take on Hal Jordan will be like (there was that one time, at least, when DC engaged with '60s malaise, him and Green Arrow hitting the road, as young men will).
Interesting take. As a person who is Jewish, but young enough and having a family who emigrated early enough to not feel the direct effects of the Holocaust, and also being white my take would be, for better or worse, devoid of any of that.
I simply saw it as the writers version of a utopian society of people that only cared about justice and good vs bad. How they got there never occurred to me. Most likely because I’ve never suffered those effects.
I can see how just glossing over those atrocities would be more galling to someone who was victimized by them.
There probably was an opportunity to add a scene that would have explained how we got there that could have been beneficial.
The Fantastic Four's 1960s sounds pretty woke to me. Are the magas whining about that?
Is there anything they don’t whine about?
Maybe the Cracker Barrel menu. But that’s it.
As one of the [checks notes] 6 people on the planet who really liked "Tomorrowland", I'll absolutely state that I am glad that the new FF movie doesn't feel the need to explain why their world isn't a grimdark hellscape reality, but just present it as the better world that it is. I honestly think that's one reason it's done such big box office, too.
The real world is exhaustingly, grindingly, and seemingly unstoppably going to hell in front of our eyes every damn day. A glimpse of how the world could have been someplace better, no matter that it doesn't come with 47 ponderous Tolkienesque volumes of detailed back history, is refreshing, and a kind of respite from the real world everyone needs to recharge for the next day of reality.
( and I say this as someone who has read damn near every book of JRR's vast archive of scribbled notes and story starts that have been published in the wake of LOTR by his son and probably have reread the actual trilogy double-digits of times)
Agreed. I didn't enjoy Superman 2025 or Wicked because the movies presented a world (an America) in which we are living. I don't need to also see it on the silver screen, as I see films for the fantasy. I didn't love the Fantastic Four for other reasons, though I did like it. I guess I'm one of the six who liked Tomorrowland 😀.
I've read most of JRR's vast archive of scribbled notes (he recycled before recycling was cool). As for reading the trilogy double digits of times over the last 45 years - yep, I've done that too. I love how Aragorn started out as a Hobbit named Trotter, and wore wooden shoes.
Your points are well taken; I don't remember much about the Fantastic 4 other than I watched the Saturday morning cartoon and my mom, who was about 27 at the time, thought animated Reed Richards was handsome.
Right now, I guess I'm just hungry for an idealized world where people work together for a common purpose. Got me right in the feels...though I will admit that "The Incredibles" got into my head re: Franklin/Jack Jack (no, F4 already HAS a human torch!)
Haven't seen it yet, but your spoiler-free analysis is the exact opposite of the umbrage-rich takes on super heroes that inflames the internet. I'd never heard that Reed and Ben were vets, which makes sense. I wonder what Kyle Chandler's take on Hal Jordan will be like (there was that one time, at least, when DC engaged with '60s malaise, him and Green Arrow hitting the road, as young men will).
That is a fascinating set of insights. Really is a lot going on in the world of comics!