Nick Fuentes is the neo Nazi white supremacist who infamously had that dinner party with Donald Trump and Kanye West at Mar a lago. Nick Fuentes is Latino.
Enrique Tarrio is a convicted seditionist who is a leader of the proud boys, a neofascist organization that promotes and engages in political violence. He is also Latino and the director of Latinos for Trump.
Why is it that MAGA accepts Latino white supremacists into their ranks but they can’t accept a Latina Snow White?
I would argue that Rachel Zegler playing Snow White in a Disney movie is a far better role model than either Fuentes or Tarrio. Why is she controversial but they aren’t? Why does she have to apologize for existing but they don’t?
I chuckled at the point about Snow White’s defining characteristic as being “extremely pretty,” because hey, let’s cast Gal Gadot in the role of someone who’s jealous of some other girl’s beauty!
Reminds me of:
Barbie: I’m not pretty anymore. I’m not ‘stereotypical Barbie’ pretty.
Narrator: Note to the filmmakers: Margot Robbie is the wrong person to cast if you want to make this point.
Though to be fair I think in the original story the evil Queen WAS beautiful but just very insecure so a beautiful actress like Gadot sort of makes sense.
Xtian right-wing outrage is exhausting. It's only cohesive thread in 2025 is to pwn the libs. That's it. That's their entire morality. I just can't with these fascist fundamentalists anymore. Don't they have something better to do?
TBH I think Zegler resembles Snow White well, even the shape of her face. Frankly, the original character is hard to find IRL – a skin tone that white with hair that black – without use of makeup to compensate for one or the other. Koreans might fit the bill...but the Right would burn down the studio if an Asian woman was cast as Snow White, even if her skin tone and hair naturally matches. That said, Peter Dinklage rightly said making a movie with dwarves living in a cave counters any progress the lead provides.
Anyway, kids don't GAF about Snow White. There's newer books with more interesting characters. Think Pinkalicious, Fancy Nancy, Bad Seed, Llama Llama... I don't know why Disney has to remake the oldies over and over and over and over and over and over again til we puke. It's like they're just gunning for a CGI award.
In the original movie, the dwarves lived in a cottage (not a cave) and went off each day to work in a mine.
I don’t see Disney being dumb enough to change this...but then, this *is* another live-action remake of a classic animated feature that didn't need any remake at all.
I had to kill some time last Saturday and stopped in to the movies to catch a flick (Last Breath, enjoyed it, was the only person in the theater so I could get up and stretch whenever I liked)
I saw a poster for SW and thought hey, maybe yeah! But the CGI thought makes me pause.
"I admit I’m not running to see Snow White in theaters because Jinkx Monsoon isn’t playing the Queen and those “magical creatures” have chilled me to my very soul."
Whew...that's my feeling as well....Chalk it up to..."two things can be true at the same time"
1. Megan Kelly's racist outrage and butthurt can go fuck itself
2. I don't need to see another lazy remake with over-the-top CGI
The live action Cinderella was great but every one since has been disappointing. I'll turn this one on when it hits Disney+ but I won't go out and spend money on it.
Whiteness is a construct - basically invented in the 17th century - so there is no such thing as anyone being objectively white, outside of cultural interpretations. Of course there are many people who are never seen as white, but the set of people who are universally recognized as white, across different cultural and ideological race codes, is a lot smaller than the set of people who think of *themselves* as white - or who are often assumed to be white by the people who never are.
For example, one of the more (softly) racist people I personally know is an Italian-American woman, who certainly thinks of herself as white - but her Anglo-American husband had actually discussed with his father the question of whether her non-whiteness was acceptable in the family.
Hispanics (even of purely Iberian heritage) and Jews are definitely outside the circle of people universally recognized as white.
Well, yes, that's how you weaponize exclusivity. I was speaking with a transphobe (she volunteers at the same soup kitchen I do, supposed to be no politics in the kitchen but she started it) so when she said her anti-trans b.s. I asked her how she thinks they enforce a trans ban in sports? Did she think about the girls who are "questioned" because of their dress, hair or behavior? How are they "protected" by this NONSENSE? Then the person that runs the group hauled her out and dressed her down for brininging politics into the kitchen, and later apologized to me that she had brought it up.
I was SUPER polite about it and focused on "the children" because I DO think she's reachable. This woman feeds people with her spare time. I want to get to know her and bring her around, you know?
I’m curious how “dwarf” became an acceptable thing to call “midgets” (which apparently is no longer an acceptable term?). You’d think the connection to folklore would have made “dwarf” an outdated term. I’ll go with it if that’s what they prefer, but I imagine not long from now it’ll be considered a pejorative.
Then there are also the mythological "folks" like fairies, trolls, dwarves, pixies, leprechauns, silkies, Lilliputians, Winkies, Munchkins, ogres, giants, mermaids, etc.
Its confusing...'midget-sm;' and 'dwarfism' are two very different variations with very different developmental pathologies ...People STILL conflate the two...But I swear to fuck "little person" just sounds t least just as insulting...
Yeah—a lot of “new terms” sound like they won’t age well.
And of course some just stick by usage—I’ve never liked “Latino” because of its religious connotations (apparently the French colonists used it originally to distinguish from English) but it’s pretty ingrained in the Hispanic community. And “Asian” means something different to the English (generally the Indian Subcontinent).
When I first moved to the UK from the US, I often bristled at the term "red Indian" and had to tell people that it is actually "Native American" (because "Indian" here means someone from India) and "red Indian" is, well, pretty insulting. I got a few eye rolls but there were a couple people who changed their terminology.
And I can't even describe the cringe I felt when I heard someone refer to a Chinese snooker player as a "Chinaman."
yeah, once you move from one country to another, a term that is racist in one might not be in another...same with cusses...Do you know what the WORST curse word you can say in Quebecoise is?
Tabernaq..
That's it...a short form of Tabernacle...
Its virtually impossible for anyone outside of Quebec to grok how the HELL that word could be seen as remotely offensive...And in the UK, 'fanny' will elicit a deeper blush than the 'C' word does
Last year I visited France and the people I spoke with were very good humored in my terrible language skills, probably because I was trying so hard- but they definitely told me I "talk like a very old person"without modern usage or common word substitutuons. No one is walking around here saying "thee" "thou" or "dost."
And yes, defaulting to calling people what thay prefer is almost always correct. Take it with grace and thank your lucky stars that someone bothered to correct you- they generally won't bother if they think you're hopeless.
I think that's an oversimplification of people demanding that they be treated with equality and respect. This isn't about decorum, this is the ruling class re-dividing the electorate and workers apart because the racism and sexism were getting too close to being outnumbered. When the people unite we are unstoppable.
Oh I’m not defending it, the whole thing is just the usual backlash of the right to a changing world, and their tantrum is going to kill us all if it’s not stopped.
Yeah—I haven’t been corrected or anything but just noticed it in articles covering the issue. A lot of these evolutions look like they’ll be soon re-evolved—like calling people “Asian” if they’re from one specific part of Asia.
I lived with a family in Ukraine in '92. The USSR had just fallen. Everyone called it "The Ukraine" then. When Russia invaded Ukraine, I was told that was vestigal language and I shouldn't use it anymore. I made a mental note, adjusted my wording and went on with my day. Being corrected is a natural part of communication and should be welcomed, as long as it isn't weaponized.
"Midget" is typically heard as a slur, with freak-show associations. "Dwarfism" is a modern clinical term, so "dwarf" is widely accepted on that basis. However the most-preferred endonym is "little people."
The advocacy group Little People of America says, "Such terms as dwarf, little person, LP, and person of short stature are all acceptable, but most people would rather be referred to by their name than by a label."
Yeah—I remember an episode of Seinfeld where Kramer’s pal corrected George on the use of “midget.” “Little people” sounds a but pejorative too, though! I’ll just go with whatever the person prefers.
Little people sounds just as shitty to me...I have no idea what a good choice would be...When I hear 'little people' I can't help but to hear in in an Irish brogue...i.e. Darby O'gill and the Little People
Shapiro is an asshole but his comments here are just weird. Both actresses are white and Jewish, and if he’s upset about Jews taking roles reserved for Christians he should learn something about “acting.” Believe it or not, Marlon Brando was a 48 year old midwestern WASP and not an aging Sicilian mobster when he portrayed Don Corleone so well that actual mobsters adjusted their real life behavior to match his on screen performance. I think Jews can do the acting thing too!
Ben Shapiro...
(... palms face...)
It’s so nice someone can be dim enough to get lost in a revolving door and still have a podcast.
Nick Fuentes is the neo Nazi white supremacist who infamously had that dinner party with Donald Trump and Kanye West at Mar a lago. Nick Fuentes is Latino.
Enrique Tarrio is a convicted seditionist who is a leader of the proud boys, a neofascist organization that promotes and engages in political violence. He is also Latino and the director of Latinos for Trump.
Why is it that MAGA accepts Latino white supremacists into their ranks but they can’t accept a Latina Snow White?
I would argue that Rachel Zegler playing Snow White in a Disney movie is a far better role model than either Fuentes or Tarrio. Why is she controversial but they aren’t? Why does she have to apologize for existing but they don’t?
I chuckled at the point about Snow White’s defining characteristic as being “extremely pretty,” because hey, let’s cast Gal Gadot in the role of someone who’s jealous of some other girl’s beauty!
Reminds me of:
Barbie: I’m not pretty anymore. I’m not ‘stereotypical Barbie’ pretty.
Narrator: Note to the filmmakers: Margot Robbie is the wrong person to cast if you want to make this point.
Though to be fair I think in the original story the evil Queen WAS beautiful but just very insecure so a beautiful actress like Gadot sort of makes sense.
"Barry White" et Al. tee-hee ;).
Xtian right-wing outrage is exhausting. It's only cohesive thread in 2025 is to pwn the libs. That's it. That's their entire morality. I just can't with these fascist fundamentalists anymore. Don't they have something better to do?
They should have gone with LotR dwarves.
I can definitely see the Evil Witch Queen running away from seven angry Gimlis with battleaxes.
"No man can kill me!"
"We're nae men, ya stoopid git!"
_____________
"Her mother is of Colombian descent and her father is of Polish and Jewish descent."
Oh, you know how the racists feel about Eastern Europeans and Semitic folks who aren't within the borders of Israel.
Does EVERYONE know Jinkx, my daughter's fabulous former classmate and pal? What genius casting that would have been.
TBH I think Zegler resembles Snow White well, even the shape of her face. Frankly, the original character is hard to find IRL – a skin tone that white with hair that black – without use of makeup to compensate for one or the other. Koreans might fit the bill...but the Right would burn down the studio if an Asian woman was cast as Snow White, even if her skin tone and hair naturally matches. That said, Peter Dinklage rightly said making a movie with dwarves living in a cave counters any progress the lead provides.
Anyway, kids don't GAF about Snow White. There's newer books with more interesting characters. Think Pinkalicious, Fancy Nancy, Bad Seed, Llama Llama... I don't know why Disney has to remake the oldies over and over and over and over and over and over again til we puke. It's like they're just gunning for a CGI award.
In the original movie, the dwarves lived in a cottage (not a cave) and went off each day to work in a mine.
I don’t see Disney being dumb enough to change this...but then, this *is* another live-action remake of a classic animated feature that didn't need any remake at all.
Well I'm not happy I saw that last screenshot. Gyuh. Definitely not a movie I'll go see anyway.
I will say this, if you're making Frau Blackface get pissy you're doing good work.
I had to kill some time last Saturday and stopped in to the movies to catch a flick (Last Breath, enjoyed it, was the only person in the theater so I could get up and stretch whenever I liked)
I saw a poster for SW and thought hey, maybe yeah! But the CGI thought makes me pause.
(Shivers)
"I admit I’m not running to see Snow White in theaters because Jinkx Monsoon isn’t playing the Queen and those “magical creatures” have chilled me to my very soul."
Whew...that's my feeling as well....Chalk it up to..."two things can be true at the same time"
1. Megan Kelly's racist outrage and butthurt can go fuck itself
2. I don't need to see another lazy remake with over-the-top CGI
Kelly's "concern" for dwarves is the same "concern" that she has for female athletes.
You mean she’s not an avid fan of women’s sports???
Yep—if anything the dipshit commentary coming from the right wing stick-in-the-ass brigade just gives another yawnfest more press than it deserves.
The live action Cinderella was great but every one since has been disappointing. I'll turn this one on when it hits Disney+ but I won't go out and spend money on it.
Whiteness is a construct - basically invented in the 17th century - so there is no such thing as anyone being objectively white, outside of cultural interpretations. Of course there are many people who are never seen as white, but the set of people who are universally recognized as white, across different cultural and ideological race codes, is a lot smaller than the set of people who think of *themselves* as white - or who are often assumed to be white by the people who never are.
For example, one of the more (softly) racist people I personally know is an Italian-American woman, who certainly thinks of herself as white - but her Anglo-American husband had actually discussed with his father the question of whether her non-whiteness was acceptable in the family.
Hispanics (even of purely Iberian heritage) and Jews are definitely outside the circle of people universally recognized as white.
Well, yes, that's how you weaponize exclusivity. I was speaking with a transphobe (she volunteers at the same soup kitchen I do, supposed to be no politics in the kitchen but she started it) so when she said her anti-trans b.s. I asked her how she thinks they enforce a trans ban in sports? Did she think about the girls who are "questioned" because of their dress, hair or behavior? How are they "protected" by this NONSENSE? Then the person that runs the group hauled her out and dressed her down for brininging politics into the kitchen, and later apologized to me that she had brought it up.
This woman is on the board, of course.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What you told the bigot is what elected Dems should be saying in response to all of the anti-trans nonsense.
(curtseys)
people are weird...You'd THINK that someone volunteering in a soup kitchen would have their ethical ducks in a row...
I was SUPER polite about it and focused on "the children" because I DO think she's reachable. This woman feeds people with her spare time. I want to get to know her and bring her around, you know?
right on!
And by definition (her working in a soup kitchen) you have a LOT to 'work' with...its just a matter of extending compassion into another circle
I’m curious how “dwarf” became an acceptable thing to call “midgets” (which apparently is no longer an acceptable term?). You’d think the connection to folklore would have made “dwarf” an outdated term. I’ll go with it if that’s what they prefer, but I imagine not long from now it’ll be considered a pejorative.
Let's let the experts speak about people with dwarfism:
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/dwarfism
Then there are also the mythological "folks" like fairies, trolls, dwarves, pixies, leprechauns, silkies, Lilliputians, Winkies, Munchkins, ogres, giants, mermaids, etc.
Its confusing...'midget-sm;' and 'dwarfism' are two very different variations with very different developmental pathologies ...People STILL conflate the two...But I swear to fuck "little person" just sounds t least just as insulting...
Yeah—a lot of “new terms” sound like they won’t age well.
And of course some just stick by usage—I’ve never liked “Latino” because of its religious connotations (apparently the French colonists used it originally to distinguish from English) but it’s pretty ingrained in the Hispanic community. And “Asian” means something different to the English (generally the Indian Subcontinent).
When I first moved to the UK from the US, I often bristled at the term "red Indian" and had to tell people that it is actually "Native American" (because "Indian" here means someone from India) and "red Indian" is, well, pretty insulting. I got a few eye rolls but there were a couple people who changed their terminology.
And I can't even describe the cringe I felt when I heard someone refer to a Chinese snooker player as a "Chinaman."
yeah, once you move from one country to another, a term that is racist in one might not be in another...same with cusses...Do you know what the WORST curse word you can say in Quebecoise is?
Tabernaq..
That's it...a short form of Tabernacle...
Its virtually impossible for anyone outside of Quebec to grok how the HELL that word could be seen as remotely offensive...And in the UK, 'fanny' will elicit a deeper blush than the 'C' word does
Also, "Newfie" is an acceptable term for a Newfoundland Retriever, but a horrible insult for a Newfoundland native.
Language evolves.
Last year I visited France and the people I spoke with were very good humored in my terrible language skills, probably because I was trying so hard- but they definitely told me I "talk like a very old person"without modern usage or common word substitutuons. No one is walking around here saying "thee" "thou" or "dost."
And yes, defaulting to calling people what thay prefer is almost always correct. Take it with grace and thank your lucky stars that someone bothered to correct you- they generally won't bother if they think you're hopeless.
"Take it with grace and thank your lucky stars that someone bothered to correct you"
suitable for framing
why is this rocket science to SO MANY FUCKING people?
There’s a now dominant political movement in this country based on “how very dare you correct me” and now we’re losing Social Security over it.
I think that's an oversimplification of people demanding that they be treated with equality and respect. This isn't about decorum, this is the ruling class re-dividing the electorate and workers apart because the racism and sexism were getting too close to being outnumbered. When the people unite we are unstoppable.
Oh I’m not defending it, the whole thing is just the usual backlash of the right to a changing world, and their tantrum is going to kill us all if it’s not stopped.
Yeah—I haven’t been corrected or anything but just noticed it in articles covering the issue. A lot of these evolutions look like they’ll be soon re-evolved—like calling people “Asian” if they’re from one specific part of Asia.
I lived with a family in Ukraine in '92. The USSR had just fallen. Everyone called it "The Ukraine" then. When Russia invaded Ukraine, I was told that was vestigal language and I shouldn't use it anymore. I made a mental note, adjusted my wording and went on with my day. Being corrected is a natural part of communication and should be welcomed, as long as it isn't weaponized.
Yep—that’s tue, the “the” is a holdover from Russian usage and meant to reduce Ukraine from a country to a province.
Likewise my Persian friends always refer to themselves as “Persian”, not “Iranian” to disassociate from the current regime.
When I bought a cookbook it certainly said “Persian” food. Which is awesome, btw.
Very underrated cuisine!
"Midget" is typically heard as a slur, with freak-show associations. "Dwarfism" is a modern clinical term, so "dwarf" is widely accepted on that basis. However the most-preferred endonym is "little people."
The advocacy group Little People of America says, "Such terms as dwarf, little person, LP, and person of short stature are all acceptable, but most people would rather be referred to by their name than by a label."
I always went with 'Steve'
steve was a "small person" in HS
Yeah—I remember an episode of Seinfeld where Kramer’s pal corrected George on the use of “midget.” “Little people” sounds a but pejorative too, though! I’ll just go with whatever the person prefers.
Little people sounds just as shitty to me...I have no idea what a good choice would be...When I hear 'little people' I can't help but to hear in in an Irish brogue...i.e. Darby O'gill and the Little People
Yeah—I can’t think of a better term, but “dwarf” or “little person” sound more like insults!
Shapiro is an asshole but his comments here are just weird. Both actresses are white and Jewish, and if he’s upset about Jews taking roles reserved for Christians he should learn something about “acting.” Believe it or not, Marlon Brando was a 48 year old midwestern WASP and not an aging Sicilian mobster when he portrayed Don Corleone so well that actual mobsters adjusted their real life behavior to match his on screen performance. I think Jews can do the acting thing too!
Ok maybe not Gadot—but she tries!