I am, and so are a lot of us. That narrative has been pushed for a long time, and it angers me more than I can say because the people repeating it are not doing so in good faith. ๐๐พ
I still want Kamala, Stephen. I'm still (now secretly) mourning for what we could have had: a Black woman and America's dad, fighting FOR us. Racism and sexism must be torn out by the roots, and yet both are ascendant right now. I weep for America on the inside.
Interesting pointsโI never figured what it was about Pete that made him poll so poorly with black voters. Of course the fact he looks even younger than he is (younger than Chelsea Clinton!) also seemed a handicap.
As a thoroughly white person it never occurred to me if Mayor Pete connected with the Black vote. I like him but do not see him as a strong contender for president.
Just another couple of musings I had about the Clintons as opposed to Pete Buttigieg:
The Clintons in general seemed to be so comfortable around Black people that certain people considered them "race traitors." It was seen as unthinkable for someone like Bill Clinton to open an office in Harlem, which was pre-gentrification very solidly Black.
And another thing that escaped notice (I think deliberately)...Hillary Clinton's early history included being a decoy to catch out racists doing housing discrimination work.
Clinton put in a lot of time with the black community going back to his Arkansas days (a key demo in his campaigns) and had a number of close allies in the community (eg Vernon Jordan). Pete really hasnโt had that yet.
I was wondering about why he polled at zero, so thanks for addressing this. My takeaway from what you explained is that it explains a lot about why I like Buttigieg so much. He is not cool. He is the antithesis of cool in today's culture. As a fellow not-cool person my entire life and also as someone who spends most of her life in her head and not out meeting people and even learning what is cool, I am drawn to Buttigieg's pragmatic, clear-headed, and uncool way of looking at things. He makes things happen, and I am eternally grateful to any politician who can do this.
As far as his being progressive versus moderate, I think it doesn't matter because Buttigieg champions the working class. His work as Transportation Secretary shows that he knows how to get things done and looks out for the little guy while doing so.
He definitely should not try to embrace popular culture or Black culture because it would be entirely fake. He's no Bill Clinton. But he also is someone strongly pointed in the direction of social justice, so even while being himself he would help everyone who may disdain him. He may never become president in my lifetime, but I wouldn't give up on him. Afterall, who would have predicted in 2000 that foot-in-mouth Biden would one day become president?
Maybe Pete is guarded because he's had to hide who he was for a long time. Unfortunately, that comes back to bite him now. When he talks, I see intelligence and wit, but not a lot of heart. I guess he's not what you'd call a hugger. A holder of babies.
I don't know if he's going into minority neighborhoods & underserved areas, Queens. He's going on Fox as you said, but I don't think it's garnered more support for him. He could do what AOC/Bernie did, holding rallies, but that's not his style. That's not to say he doesn't care, but he doesn't know how to show it, and politics is all about theater.
I wonder if having demoted the Black police chief in South Bend, makes him think he won't be accepted by the Black community, and so he doesn't even try? But with all the anti-DEI crap out there, he really needs to connect with ethnic communities. He's lacking in that dept.
Still, I will vote Democrat no matter what โย it's imperative to set aside my few doubts and see the bigger picture, or else we will have Trump 3.0 and 4.0 and 5.0...
I would vote for Mayor Pete in a heartbeat, but he is not the person for the job right now. To steal a line from "The Godfather", Democrats need a war consigliere, and Pete is Tom Hagen while we need someone much more confrontational to fight the proto-fascists.
One lesson we should have all learned from the Biden presidency is that Republicans will never back off. They will only seek compromise when their backs are completely against the wall. Until then, and even after they capitulate, they will try to rise again and must be constantly confronted and defeated mercilessly.
Yeah that is a shame Secretary Pete did not do a lot of outreach to Black people. That is actually similar to Bernie Sanders.
It is also a shame since he is a great communicator. But of course also Democrats no longer prioritize policy...it is about how well you "dunk" now and look like you are fighting." I do hope he continues going on Faux News Entertainment and elsewhere in the right wing media human centipede, of course. If he can even get booked on their podcasts.
I think it will honestly not matter if he lacks Black support; a lot of the party really is allergic to listening to Black people anyway. We'll get the bulk of consequences for whatever goes wrong. Of course this calculus changes if people get it in gear and vote in an impeachment+removal-sized Democratic majority, for even a *semblance* of a check on the horrors.
So, Black voters are as shallow as white voters is what youโre saying? Confronting the fascists on Fox is less important than schmoozing with like-minded broadcasters? Pete is very smart and incredibly articulate, one of the few Americans who can speak in whole sentences and paragraphs. Itโs a shame his bravery and intelligence arenโt deciding factors among voters of any color or gender.
Yeah, it's a no for Pete from me. I'm not Black but the smarminess and the McKinsey job, and the whole bipartisan, reach across the aisle bullshit is all too much. I don't like Gavin either. Who is going to step up for progressives? Bernie cannot run again, just no. Walz is good, he seemed to be doing great up until the DNC decided to muzzle him. AOC? I'd vote for her, but can she win? Will this country ever vote for a woman? The bench is not very deep here.
I am still pissed at the DNC muzzling Walz, and Harris too, for that matter. Cost us the election, and maybe the country. tr*mp seems hell-bent upon destroying the country.
I like Newsom's fight, but prefer AOC, but I too wonder if the country would ever vote for a woman. Actually, we did - in 2016, but it was the popular vote, not the electoral vote. Sigh.
Buttigieg is the pluperfect brilliant technocrat: he was educated at Harvard and Oxford and served a stint at McKinsey. Just the kind of ambitious bureaucratic entrepreneur who would do a solid job as Transportation Secretary. No wonder he's the golden boy of Ezra Klein style "moderate" Democrats. He's slick and articulate, but hardly a progressive. IMHO, the Dems can do better in 2028, and I hope they will....
I think we also can talk about โblackโ and โwhiteโ culture when itโs also more an issue of regional culture. A Southern white Dem for instance could connect well with Black voters esp in South Carolina.
I think that helpsโlots of white people share common culture with black peopleโthough if like Pete you just โcode as whiteโ he likely canโt fake it without looking inauthentic and pandering. Better, I think, to embrace who he is (a young midwestern Slavic-descended whitebread Ivy League guy) but spend more time connecting with the black community and put his time in. Hitting the church circuit, HBCUs, black mediaโand doing this now in the off seasonโis likely to do a lot more than pretending.
I am, and so are a lot of us. That narrative has been pushed for a long time, and it angers me more than I can say because the people repeating it are not doing so in good faith. ๐๐พ
I still want Kamala, Stephen. I'm still (now secretly) mourning for what we could have had: a Black woman and America's dad, fighting FOR us. Racism and sexism must be torn out by the roots, and yet both are ascendant right now. I weep for America on the inside.
Interesting pointsโI never figured what it was about Pete that made him poll so poorly with black voters. Of course the fact he looks even younger than he is (younger than Chelsea Clinton!) also seemed a handicap.
Chelsea should runโฆwhere does she live now?
NO. She lives in NYC and is not interested in running for office. It would be a big mistake to try to run another Clinton.
As a thoroughly white person it never occurred to me if Mayor Pete connected with the Black vote. I like him but do not see him as a strong contender for president.
Just another couple of musings I had about the Clintons as opposed to Pete Buttigieg:
The Clintons in general seemed to be so comfortable around Black people that certain people considered them "race traitors." It was seen as unthinkable for someone like Bill Clinton to open an office in Harlem, which was pre-gentrification very solidly Black.
And another thing that escaped notice (I think deliberately)...Hillary Clinton's early history included being a decoy to catch out racists doing housing discrimination work.
Clinton put in a lot of time with the black community going back to his Arkansas days (a key demo in his campaigns) and had a number of close allies in the community (eg Vernon Jordan). Pete really hasnโt had that yet.
I was wondering about why he polled at zero, so thanks for addressing this. My takeaway from what you explained is that it explains a lot about why I like Buttigieg so much. He is not cool. He is the antithesis of cool in today's culture. As a fellow not-cool person my entire life and also as someone who spends most of her life in her head and not out meeting people and even learning what is cool, I am drawn to Buttigieg's pragmatic, clear-headed, and uncool way of looking at things. He makes things happen, and I am eternally grateful to any politician who can do this.
As far as his being progressive versus moderate, I think it doesn't matter because Buttigieg champions the working class. His work as Transportation Secretary shows that he knows how to get things done and looks out for the little guy while doing so.
He definitely should not try to embrace popular culture or Black culture because it would be entirely fake. He's no Bill Clinton. But he also is someone strongly pointed in the direction of social justice, so even while being himself he would help everyone who may disdain him. He may never become president in my lifetime, but I wouldn't give up on him. Afterall, who would have predicted in 2000 that foot-in-mouth Biden would one day become president?
Maybe Pete is guarded because he's had to hide who he was for a long time. Unfortunately, that comes back to bite him now. When he talks, I see intelligence and wit, but not a lot of heart. I guess he's not what you'd call a hugger. A holder of babies.
I don't know if he's going into minority neighborhoods & underserved areas, Queens. He's going on Fox as you said, but I don't think it's garnered more support for him. He could do what AOC/Bernie did, holding rallies, but that's not his style. That's not to say he doesn't care, but he doesn't know how to show it, and politics is all about theater.
I wonder if having demoted the Black police chief in South Bend, makes him think he won't be accepted by the Black community, and so he doesn't even try? But with all the anti-DEI crap out there, he really needs to connect with ethnic communities. He's lacking in that dept.
Still, I will vote Democrat no matter what โย it's imperative to set aside my few doubts and see the bigger picture, or else we will have Trump 3.0 and 4.0 and 5.0...
I would vote for Mayor Pete in a heartbeat, but he is not the person for the job right now. To steal a line from "The Godfather", Democrats need a war consigliere, and Pete is Tom Hagen while we need someone much more confrontational to fight the proto-fascists.
One lesson we should have all learned from the Biden presidency is that Republicans will never back off. They will only seek compromise when their backs are completely against the wall. Until then, and even after they capitulate, they will try to rise again and must be constantly confronted and defeated mercilessly.
OT: ๐ก๐ข ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ช๐ก๐ฆ. ๐ก๐ข ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ก๐๐ฆ. ๐ก๐ข ๐๐๐ก๐๐ฆ.
๐ก๐ผ ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด๐ ๐ ๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐๐ป๐ป๐ผ๐๐ป๐ฐ๐ฒ๐ ๐ก๐ฒ๐ ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ก๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐๐ถ๐ฑ๐ฒ ๐๐ฐ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ข๐ฐ๐ ๐ญ๐ด
"๐๐ฐ ๐๐ช๐ฏ๐จ๐ด ๐ช๐ด ๐ข ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ฏ-๐ท๐ช๐ฐ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ท๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ต๐ช๐ฏ๐ถ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ณ๐ช๐ด๐ฆ ๐ด๐ต๐ณ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐จ๐ฆ๐ณ, ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ธ๐ฆโ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ถ๐ฏ๐ช๐ต๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ค๐ฆ ๐ข๐จ๐ข๐ช๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ธ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ญ๐ฅ: ๐๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ช๐ค๐ข ๐ฉ๐ข๐ด ๐๐ฐ ๐๐ช๐ฏ๐จ๐ด ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ฃ๐ฆ๐ญ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐จ๐ด ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ญ๐ฆ."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/no-kings-october-18
Yeah that is a shame Secretary Pete did not do a lot of outreach to Black people. That is actually similar to Bernie Sanders.
It is also a shame since he is a great communicator. But of course also Democrats no longer prioritize policy...it is about how well you "dunk" now and look like you are fighting." I do hope he continues going on Faux News Entertainment and elsewhere in the right wing media human centipede, of course. If he can even get booked on their podcasts.
I think it will honestly not matter if he lacks Black support; a lot of the party really is allergic to listening to Black people anyway. We'll get the bulk of consequences for whatever goes wrong. Of course this calculus changes if people get it in gear and vote in an impeachment+removal-sized Democratic majority, for even a *semblance* of a check on the horrors.
The Fox Fake News Russian Propaganda catch n kill Machine for Crooked Trump and his USELESS MAGATS needs to be exposed for what it is...
So, Black voters are as shallow as white voters is what youโre saying? Confronting the fascists on Fox is less important than schmoozing with like-minded broadcasters? Pete is very smart and incredibly articulate, one of the few Americans who can speak in whole sentences and paragraphs. Itโs a shame his bravery and intelligence arenโt deciding factors among voters of any color or gender.
Yeah, it's a no for Pete from me. I'm not Black but the smarminess and the McKinsey job, and the whole bipartisan, reach across the aisle bullshit is all too much. I don't like Gavin either. Who is going to step up for progressives? Bernie cannot run again, just no. Walz is good, he seemed to be doing great up until the DNC decided to muzzle him. AOC? I'd vote for her, but can she win? Will this country ever vote for a woman? The bench is not very deep here.
I am still pissed at the DNC muzzling Walz, and Harris too, for that matter. Cost us the election, and maybe the country. tr*mp seems hell-bent upon destroying the country.
I like Newsom's fight, but prefer AOC, but I too wonder if the country would ever vote for a woman. Actually, we did - in 2016, but it was the popular vote, not the electoral vote. Sigh.
Buttigieg is the pluperfect brilliant technocrat: he was educated at Harvard and Oxford and served a stint at McKinsey. Just the kind of ambitious bureaucratic entrepreneur who would do a solid job as Transportation Secretary. No wonder he's the golden boy of Ezra Klein style "moderate" Democrats. He's slick and articulate, but hardly a progressive. IMHO, the Dems can do better in 2028, and I hope they will....
I think we also can talk about โblackโ and โwhiteโ culture when itโs also more an issue of regional culture. A Southern white Dem for instance could connect well with Black voters esp in South Carolina.
I think that helpsโlots of white people share common culture with black peopleโthough if like Pete you just โcode as whiteโ he likely canโt fake it without looking inauthentic and pandering. Better, I think, to embrace who he is (a young midwestern Slavic-descended whitebread Ivy League guy) but spend more time connecting with the black community and put his time in. Hitting the church circuit, HBCUs, black mediaโand doing this now in the off seasonโis likely to do a lot more than pretending.