White supremacists (as one friend refers to as the "republikkkans") won't take "no" for an answer and never have. After the civil war they just went underground then resurfaced about every 50 years, only to be told "no" again and again. They now, after years of planning, have infiltrated the federal government with their lies and are likely to suspend voting when the mid-terms come around; because, to tell them "no" now that they have almost all the power, will take more than the normal ebb and flow of election cycles. That "more" will be their excuse to suspend any semblance of democracy. Are we doomed to finally fall to this intractable, unreflective, and uncompromising minority of people who have passed their bigotry and grievance on, generation after generation, without ever considering that the consequences of their beliefs are untenable and cannot be universalized? With the help of Russia, religious extremism, and oligarchy, are they finally going to prevail?
Most alternative history musings are about what if the South won (not outright of course but by extending the war long enough for the North to decide it wasn’t worth it) but I think a lot about what if the North had better military leadership from the start and crushed the South earlier. Would a more complete, early loss have knocked the fight out of the traitors, made Reconstruction easier, prevented the long line of Lost Cause bullshit from taking root? Or if Reconstruction was supported for another decade or so, might it have taken root so freedmen and allies have gained the momentum to take history in another direction?
Then there’s Trump who truly laments that “the blacks” no longer “know their place” and he can’t even bother to hide his white supremacist feelings.
IMO a war between north and south would STILL have happened had the south been let go to be a separate nation- the slavers were an expansionist fascist government- they even looked to take Cuba and Brazil and they did take Texas- their expansion westward would have had an inevitable clash with the north. And becoming two separate nations, the north would have repealed the Fugitive Slave Act, protecting escaped slaves enraging the south anyway.
Read the Southern Agrarians or the Vanderbilt Fugitives; their works reflect the rural fantasy of a post plantation economy similar to the current anti dark urban cosmopolitan paranoia of MAGA.
Confederate states versus Federal Yankee Union
The confederate boss of that republican popular show 'Yellowstone'
This is very important and why your term for him (President Klan Robe) was in my opinion one of the most descriptive. And it is also why I refer to the types that support him as the unreconstructed. Returning us to a social order of the Gilded Age—when Jim Crow was rampant—is a top priority of the unreconstructed.
And I have said it elsewhere...the pricktator shares the same prejudices of the unreconstructed, but he loathes them to a person. It is the high society of New York City that he craved the allegiance of...this is why I believe he was ever a Democrat. The cool people in NYC tend to be Democrats. Else the pricktator would just open up a theater in Branson.
The confederacy may have "surrendered" but they never gave up fighting. They merely stopped using armies in a frontal assault on the United States. They murdered Lincoln which got them the odious racist proto-Trump Andrew Johnson; pushed the 'Lost Cause' revision of history (with the academic stamp of approval from the Dunning School, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning_School .
All those glorious monuments to the Great H̴e̴r̴o̴e̴s̴ Traitors of the Civil War were built between 1900 and 1925, (not coincidentally, the era of the great resurgence of the KKK).
The Confederate generals so beloved by Trump are emblematic of the kind of showy, impulsive 'Great General' he desperately wants to be.
Project 2025 itself is the crowning achievement of the long game played by the oligarchs who co-opted the religious fervor for slavery and vengeance against the liberal North (more to the point, it is also their vengeance on the Great Class Traitor FDR, who, for all his achievements, still couldn't bring about full civil rights for Blacks, because he was thwarted by the Jim Crow Dems in the south, ensuring that the benefits to the American people of the New Deal still only flowed to whites.
In truth, we've never stopped fighting the Civil War.
And if they get their fondest wish to restart a hot Civil War. it will be exponentially more bloody and destructive than the first, because there is no Mason-Dixon line separating the sides...the "line" runs through every part of the US, between cities, neighborhoods, families...
Well as California conservatives lurch into Texas and northeasterners retire to Florida, we have the bright future of CA losing enough people and Texas gaining them to premanently skew the Electoral College. Even winning all of the "blue wall" states, this change will devastate the Dems
My church was lead by a white abolitionist minister in 1825. Any suggestion that people "didn't know better" is Lost Cause hogwash. And these are the people who decry moral relativism.
"Back then it was loyalty to state first..." Oh REALLY? When THE FUCK has lotalty to your own fucking conscience not been supreme? If someone wants to be "loyal" they can not achieve it without first being true to themselves, their own sense of right and wrong, FFS.
As to the current feelings about slavery, well look no further than these fucking POS humans who simultaneously tell us "AI will achieve consciousness any day now" and "AI will take all your jobs" because they see no problem with making a something with free thought do whatever they tell it to, whenever they tell it to. Of course they would have slaves if they could. Some of them probably do already, but the human kind. Somewhere out of sight, like Saudi Arabia or Santa Clara.
White supremacists (as one friend refers to as the "republikkkans") won't take "no" for an answer and never have. After the civil war they just went underground then resurfaced about every 50 years, only to be told "no" again and again. They now, after years of planning, have infiltrated the federal government with their lies and are likely to suspend voting when the mid-terms come around; because, to tell them "no" now that they have almost all the power, will take more than the normal ebb and flow of election cycles. That "more" will be their excuse to suspend any semblance of democracy. Are we doomed to finally fall to this intractable, unreflective, and uncompromising minority of people who have passed their bigotry and grievance on, generation after generation, without ever considering that the consequences of their beliefs are untenable and cannot be universalized? With the help of Russia, religious extremism, and oligarchy, are they finally going to prevail?
Most alternative history musings are about what if the South won (not outright of course but by extending the war long enough for the North to decide it wasn’t worth it) but I think a lot about what if the North had better military leadership from the start and crushed the South earlier. Would a more complete, early loss have knocked the fight out of the traitors, made Reconstruction easier, prevented the long line of Lost Cause bullshit from taking root? Or if Reconstruction was supported for another decade or so, might it have taken root so freedmen and allies have gained the momentum to take history in another direction?
Then there’s Trump who truly laments that “the blacks” no longer “know their place” and he can’t even bother to hide his white supremacist feelings.
IMO a war between north and south would STILL have happened had the south been let go to be a separate nation- the slavers were an expansionist fascist government- they even looked to take Cuba and Brazil and they did take Texas- their expansion westward would have had an inevitable clash with the north. And becoming two separate nations, the north would have repealed the Fugitive Slave Act, protecting escaped slaves enraging the south anyway.
Read the Southern Agrarians or the Vanderbilt Fugitives; their works reflect the rural fantasy of a post plantation economy similar to the current anti dark urban cosmopolitan paranoia of MAGA.
Confederate states versus Federal Yankee Union
The confederate boss of that republican popular show 'Yellowstone'
is propaganda supporting this view.
He brands his workers .
It's sad to say but it appears the Confederacy has won the peace after being defeated on the battlefield 160 years ago.
What a fucking country.
This is very important and why your term for him (President Klan Robe) was in my opinion one of the most descriptive. And it is also why I refer to the types that support him as the unreconstructed. Returning us to a social order of the Gilded Age—when Jim Crow was rampant—is a top priority of the unreconstructed.
And I have said it elsewhere...the pricktator shares the same prejudices of the unreconstructed, but he loathes them to a person. It is the high society of New York City that he craved the allegiance of...this is why I believe he was ever a Democrat. The cool people in NYC tend to be Democrats. Else the pricktator would just open up a theater in Branson.
The confederacy may have "surrendered" but they never gave up fighting. They merely stopped using armies in a frontal assault on the United States. They murdered Lincoln which got them the odious racist proto-Trump Andrew Johnson; pushed the 'Lost Cause' revision of history (with the academic stamp of approval from the Dunning School, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning_School .
All those glorious monuments to the Great H̴e̴r̴o̴e̴s̴ Traitors of the Civil War were built between 1900 and 1925, (not coincidentally, the era of the great resurgence of the KKK).
The Confederate generals so beloved by Trump are emblematic of the kind of showy, impulsive 'Great General' he desperately wants to be.
Project 2025 itself is the crowning achievement of the long game played by the oligarchs who co-opted the religious fervor for slavery and vengeance against the liberal North (more to the point, it is also their vengeance on the Great Class Traitor FDR, who, for all his achievements, still couldn't bring about full civil rights for Blacks, because he was thwarted by the Jim Crow Dems in the south, ensuring that the benefits to the American people of the New Deal still only flowed to whites.
In truth, we've never stopped fighting the Civil War.
And if they get their fondest wish to restart a hot Civil War. it will be exponentially more bloody and destructive than the first, because there is no Mason-Dixon line separating the sides...the "line" runs through every part of the US, between cities, neighborhoods, families...
https://xkcd.com/2399/
From the hover text:
"𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘛𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘊𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘯𝘪𝘢 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘛𝘦𝘹𝘢𝘴, 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘉𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘛𝘦𝘹𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘕𝘦𝘸 𝘠𝘰𝘳𝘬, 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘛𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘕𝘦𝘸 𝘠𝘰𝘳𝘬 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘖𝘩𝘪𝘰, 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘉𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘖𝘩𝘪𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘔𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘴, 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘛𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘔𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘔𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘱𝘱𝘪, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘉𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘔𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘱𝘱𝘪 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘝𝘦𝘳𝘮𝘰𝘯𝘵."
A 'hot' Civil War here will be like the disintegration of Yugoslavia times 1000.
Well as California conservatives lurch into Texas and northeasterners retire to Florida, we have the bright future of CA losing enough people and Texas gaining them to premanently skew the Electoral College. Even winning all of the "blue wall" states, this change will devastate the Dems
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/20/census-population-estimates-reapportionment-00132620
For some reason Substack's NOT showing my full comment...even though I see it in edit mode...
𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘛𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘊𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘯𝘪𝘢 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘛𝘦𝘹𝘢𝘴, 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘉𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘛𝘦𝘹𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘕𝘦𝘸 𝘠𝘰𝘳𝘬, 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘛𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘕𝘦𝘸 𝘠𝘰𝘳𝘬 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘖𝘩𝘪𝘰, 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘉𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘖𝘩𝘪𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘔𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘴, 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘛𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘔𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘔𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘱𝘱𝘪, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘉𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘔𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘱𝘱𝘪 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘝𝘦𝘳𝘮𝘰𝘯𝘵.
My church was lead by a white abolitionist minister in 1825. Any suggestion that people "didn't know better" is Lost Cause hogwash. And these are the people who decry moral relativism.
Trump would've ended the Civil War within 24 hours. All the North needed to do is let the Confederacy keep their dang slaves!
"Two weeks"
Trump is stupid and a bully. And this denial of history fits right in with MAGA’S book-burning, whites only history.
"Back then it was loyalty to state first..." Oh REALLY? When THE FUCK has lotalty to your own fucking conscience not been supreme? If someone wants to be "loyal" they can not achieve it without first being true to themselves, their own sense of right and wrong, FFS.
As to the current feelings about slavery, well look no further than these fucking POS humans who simultaneously tell us "AI will achieve consciousness any day now" and "AI will take all your jobs" because they see no problem with making a something with free thought do whatever they tell it to, whenever they tell it to. Of course they would have slaves if they could. Some of them probably do already, but the human kind. Somewhere out of sight, like Saudi Arabia or Santa Clara.