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belfryo's avatar

"Yet every Senate Democrat joined Republicans in supporting Rubio’s confirmation. It was an obviously bad move, rooted in outdated concepts of Senate congeniality and bipartisanship."

This absolutely fascinates me...I guess it must be a 'can't see the forest for the trees' kind of thing. Perhaps being in the thick of the DC forest DOES make people, even GOOD people like Warren and SANDERS oblivious to the obvious...Because I know for a FACT that there are MILLIONS of us on the left who fucking had this little twerp troll's number FROM THE GET GO...The idea that folks like us on the sidelines can see something that the players on the FIELD can't see is both frustrating and again fascinating. So when I do the tally of democratic senators who approved Trump appointees I have to grade them on a curve by 'neutralizing' that ONE thing they ALL got wrong on the test

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BrandoG's avatar

The theory is that these people worked with Rubio for over a decade and probably heard him criticize Trump a lot, and figured he’d be like another Mattis and try at least to keep Trump in check, and by voting for him would preserve some Beltway credibility (“see, there are GOP nominees we can support!” as if there’s a Beltway cred referee).

Of course they didn’t have the sense to step back from their self important bullshit (“we know the guy personally, we can judge him better than the little people can”) and see him for the craven nonentity that he is, or even calculate that there’s simply no benefit from anyone to sign off on anything coming from this criminal scumbag administration.

Hence why the whole bunch need to retire.

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belfryo's avatar

I can totally see that...But all they had to do was to understand TRUMP and know that Trump would NEVER broker dissent or backtalk...That ANYONE in ANY position in his cabinet is there to do exactly what Trump says or you're OUTTA here. Did they REALLY think that any of these people were going to actually guide and inform him or that he would listen to them?

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Stephen Robinson's avatar

Yep!

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BrandoG's avatar

That’s why they look delusional. Delusional or fake. Either way, to loosely paraphrase Oliver Cromwell, “go, away with you, retire and get the fuck out!” The whole bunch need to be replaced.

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Stephen Robinson's avatar

Democrats warned that Trump would have no guardrails in a second term so it seems especially naive to think he would willingly choose a guardrail. Only the most corrupt politicians would work for Trump.

Also, Rubio didn’t just vote against impeachment, he defended Trump and smeared the effort to hold him accountable after 1/6

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belfryo's avatar

Another analogy: it's like being a better diagnostician than your doctor. it might make you feel smart, but no one wants to be better than their doctor at doctoring.

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BrandoG's avatar

It’s why every damn one of those Senate Democrats looks like a fake. Like they never believed the rhetoric about him being a threat to democracy. And now, is their shock over Rubio real or fake? Either they’re being fake again or they’re complete saps. Replace them all.

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Gary Seven in Space's avatar

How does he get away with deporting Cubans is what I want to know…? Shouldn’t that community fuck him up???

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belfryo's avatar

Forgive the broad brush, but a lot of Cubans are RW garbage...families and offspring of the wealthy exploiters that Castro kicked out of Cuba. They are a pretty strongly reliable support group for republicans...The 'I got mine' group that has no problem pulling the ladder up behind them

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llamaspit's avatar

As a long-time Florida resident, I can attest that Rubio has been a craven opportunist from the get-go. When he was in the Florida legislature he got tangled in a sleazy real estate deal with a co-scumbag back in 2010. https://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/marco-rubios-house-of-horrors-116075

He managed to escape and stay in office due to the long-standing support of the South Florida, ultra-conservative Cuban refugees families from the Castro takeover, which he milked for funds and votes. They've been a disaster for US foreign policy for decades now.

Rubio clearly will do ANYTHING to retain some form of power and influence. There is no there there.

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Sherry's avatar

Rubio just one in a long line craving all the power they can get. The major problem in this world isn’t the love of money but mainly greed that encompasses that as well as power. Greed for power. Rump has shown them that that will save their asses because when you have it, you’re untouchable.

All of this would have been (hopefully) somewhat mitigated had Rump been held accountable but Dems did not and to their detriment and that of the country.

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SethTriggs's avatar

Little Marco's one saving grace is that he is completely useless, like he is a screen door on a submarine. So much so that Pope Slayer has had to pick up the slack in gutting American diplomacy and power on the world stage.

Maybe he's just a parking position for other jobs as a sinecure while the actual assets and agents do the wetwork of destruction.

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BrandoG's avatar

This illustrates how so many of us normal people hate the lickspittle Republicans like Rubio who pull this preening shit just to placate the most unfit president in history, and yet at the same time DESPISE weak Democrats who display their total impotence by voting for this turd and then whining that he didn’t turn out to be the hero of normalcy they had no reason to expect. Democrats better wake up and realize that displays of weakness are fatal to their chances of ever taking power again. If they’re weak enough we may never even see free elections here.

Puzzling to me is that there aren’t at least some opportunistic high profile Democrats who see this vacuum and are willing to fill it. Fight every step of the way, gum up the works, organize mass protests that actually disrupt everyday business, and most of all, read filth into your public statements (question—do you recall any big name Democrats specifically using the words “fucking idiot” or “scumbag” to describe Trump or any of his GOP allies? Why not? Do you realize using restrained language makes you seem dishonest?).

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belfryo's avatar

Unfortunately opportunism and non-antiauthoritarian types don't occupy the same space. Opportunism is somewhat antithetical to cooperation. And folks on the left are big cooperators. To our detriment I might add. But it is also our strength. It's just not a strength in this moment.

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Dina's avatar

I can't wait for the American version of the Nuremberg trials to see all that smugness wiped off their fascist faces.

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Dina's avatar

He even looks like Goebbels.

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BrandoG's avatar

If only high profile Democrats openly promised such trials if they took power again. It’s insane that we have reason to believe they’ll pull a Biden and “turn the page” if they took power again.

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SethTriggs's avatar

People would be insane to promise such trials given the wide deference for the unreconstructed in the legal and political system. The pricktator himself has *34 FELONY CONVICTIONS.* Not just the charges of which there were many, but he was *actually convicted.* I guarantee you because of who this movement represents you won't get an actual consequence.

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BrandoG's avatar

The very reason this administration is so “uncaged” is because they’ve learned from experience that there’s little to no consequences for their crimes, because Democrats haven’t the steel to impose them.

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SethTriggs's avatar

Is Juan Merchan a Democrat? I don't recall. And considering Jack Smith had the pricktator dead to rights until the nice little SCROTUS gift.

That also reminds me, Letitia James (who actually IS a Democrat) ALSO has Ws against the pricktator. Yet the consequences are seemingly unenforceable because of that deference in the legal system. We see how differently this works with the unlimited appeals and stalling tactics.

And then now that reminds me of Fani Willis (a Democrat), who took the fight to the pricktator and then got waylaid by some utterly asinine random 'standard.' And what did online Democrats do? They savaged her, they joined in piling on with "tut tut oh it's all her fault!"

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BrandoG's avatar

That’s the problem—some Dems (like Willis, Smith, James) did what they could, but collectively were hamstrung by the rest—Smith didn’t get started until 2 years into Biden’s term because Garland waited until the last moment to call a special counsel, James belatedly brought her suit because her predecessors never did squat. And there’s a lot of crimes Dems just never bothered with.

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Stephen Robinson's avatar

Conviction for the insurrection and classified documents were the most important. The NY cases could be spun as just trying to "get" Trump (although he was obviously corrupt and committed the crimes). But he needed to be convicted for the crimes he committed *as president.*

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Linda1961 is woke and proud's avatar

Bingo! TACO (Wall Street gets it right - Trump Always Chickens Out) is being himself, and always has. Being genuine has its appeal, if the genuine self is appealing - TACO's isn't, but sadly his genuine and hideous self appeals to too many folks. Rubio, and most of the others who have enabled TACO masked their hideous true selves when it suited them, and with the rise of TACO, they have let the world see their genuine selves.

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Myra Donnelley's avatar

In 2015 Rubio announced his first campaign for President. He has clearly harbored Presidential aspirations for at least ten years, if not his entire political life. Now, I am not saying every single GOP candidate ever for President was a self-regarding megalomaniac, if not outright sociopath, but certainly those of my lifetime have been. Rubio is GONE HARD for Donald because Donald has dangled an informal endorsement of Rubio - and by extension, not Vance - to succeed him as President, but Rubio has failed to see that a) Trump will likely not willingly surrender his "throne" and b) Trump has likely signalled similar support to others he may need to do his bidding.

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