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I love grocery shopping. It was a special thing my mother and grandmother and I did together when I was very young, and then just my mom and me. One of the worst things about the pandemic was not being able to go grocery shopping when I wanted/needed something. That's the only time I've done grocery delivery. Getting a weirdly random thing instead of what I ordered was quite a nuisance. The pandemic was also the major reason I've used doordash-type delivery. I understand people have different priorities, but I don't find the benefits of delivery to be worth the negatives (cold food, items missing, weird textures).

I like to cook most of the time, but as I've gotten old, I'm pretty tired of it and we're getting odder combinations of foods. I bring home takeout to supplement, though, rather than getting delivery. Who thinks casseroles aren't fresh foods? Casseroles are an awesome way to stretch ingredients. My friend's ex refused to eat leftovers, which I find utterly bizarre.

SethTriggs's avatar

I still find myself going back to the familiar taste of "Struggle meals" of the past, sometimes as comfort food.

Delivery services are always necessarily more expensive. Though I do happen to know people who rely on them for a combination of mobility issues and living in a food desert. I myself happen to use Instacart because the store with actual selection is quite distant, and the supermarkets in walking distance don't let you bring your own bags without security guard hassle, so you have to use their flimsy shopping bags that you PAY for (which would usually be thrown away after).

If I couldn't afford it though I wouldn't use those luxuries. I would just have to find other means. But I will admit some of the stores around here make shopping in person VERY annoying.

Sadly big online accounts can get a bunch of clout and then that is used to ridicule liberalism in general.

πŸ•ŠοΈ ꕷꖹꕷꗍ β™Œ's avatar

I'm of the Boomer Generation. Since my dear husband of 45 years died 5 years ago, I've lost all interest in cooking. We used to make great meals together, as well as bake breads, cakes, and cookies ( I wooed him with my chocolate chip cookies when were teenagers). We often had fun dinner parties at our house. Now I usually have yogurt or cereal and fruit for breakfast, don't eat lunch unless I'm going out with friends, and try to throw together a healthy dinner without really cooking (lots of eggs or beans and rice with cheese and vegetables). I rarely eat any meat now. I do use Door Dash on occasion, but those meals usually provide enough for 2 dinners. Fortunately, I can afford to eat, unlike so many others (there is absolutely no reason for people to go hungry in the US, except for the punishing and greedy regime we are living under), but cooking and eating alone is such a depressing situation.

Stranger Than Friction's avatar

10/10 Stephen! I am trying to use recipes that make an entree on a sheet pan in the oven or a casserole, to feed my family. I can't even keep burritos in a freezer because I make a dozen and they're gone in a few days. Everybody loves to take them to school/work and heat 'em in a microwave there.

Jennifer Destafano's avatar

I try really hard not to judge people, generally, for relying on DoorDash and takeout or even ready-to-heat/eat convenience grocery store foods. I can very well imagine any number of reasons one would find themself in that position. I am not in that position and I don’t pretend to know the constraints others are working with.

However. Specifically and anecdotally I judge the people I actually know personally who do this. πŸ™ˆ I’m not proud of it okay?? I’m just being honest.

From what I have observed, the rationalization usually comes down to 1) There is food in the fridge but all of it takes at least ten minutes to prepare (SHALL I BLEND IT FOR YOU TO SAVE TIME CHEWING?) 2) there are leftovers in the fridge but I ate that yesterday and now I don’t want to eat it ever again (WHO RAISED YOU?!) or 3) everything I eat must be the most fabulously appetizing and delicious thing, I will abide no boring cheap casseroles, and it must be the specific thing I am craving right this moment (WELL LAH DEE DAH, ARE WE THE QUEEN MUM?!) πŸ˜…

I am mostly poking fun at myself here because I recognize that, on this point at least, I’m a bit (a lot) insufferable. I’m a home cooking zealot and leftover queen. I love calculating cost per serving. I insist on shopping for my own groceries myself, no delivery. It’s time consuming and sometimes a little stressful.

In reality we ALL probably make choices that to others look dumb/wasteful/nonsensical. At the end of the day everyone has to eat and we all have to pick our priorities.

Elizabeth Schreiter's avatar

If you’re insufferable, then I’m your insufferable kindred spirit! Though I’m not so meticulous as to calculate the cost per meal (serious respect there), I do scour the weekly circulars of the stores I go to and use them to help dictate the week’s meal plan. I too insist on shopping for my groceries (to the point that I like to use the big self-checkout so I can bag them my way), and it can get really time-consuming and a little stressful, especially in this economy.

Jennifer Destafano's avatar

Hello kindred spirit! πŸ˜† I don’t know that I can claim to be meticulous about it but I do find it interesting and course-correcting to work out the cost per serving, especially with new recipes. It jogs my brain to find substitutions for expensive ingredients and get a little creative.

See, coupons and circulars are one of those things that others might look askance at me for not bothering to do. I did try it, but I find it leads me to buy things I normally wouldn’t just because it’s a good deal. It just doesn’t work that well for me. Instead I am a devoted Aldi shopper. Keeps me on track without too much extra effort. But we all must do what works best for us! And not everyone is blessed with a good Aldi.

I am 100% with you on self-checkout and DIY bagging. Nothing irritates me more than spending a fortune on groceries and coming home with broken eggs and squashed bread!

Stephen Robinson's avatar

What's also weird is that even when I relied a lot on takeout in my 20something NYC days --- I ate a lot of leftovers. But yeah, the idea that eating the same food for several meals is abhorrent? That's alien to me.

Jennifer Destafano's avatar

Totally alien! To me leftovers are a really nice thing my past-self did for my present-self. Thanks me! Dinner is done! 🀣

Hippo Heaven's avatar

This whole topic is such a mystery to me.

I am older than Generation X, I am a Boomer.

I took my lunch to work every day, years ago, and all of my co-workers ate out. They were always broke and I saved up enough to put a down-payment on my first house.

I am old now and I still prepare all my meals at home. By shopping carefully, my grocery costs are under $300 a month.

Food is the easiest thing to save money on.

Catnmus's avatar

PS loved me some Cracklin' Oat Bran too, till I found out about the health non-benefits of palm kernel oil and whatever else was used to make them so good.

Stranger Than Friction's avatar

These days, for breakfast I put 1/4-1/3 cup of quick oats from a grocery store container into a deep microwave safe bowl. I add double the water of whatever measure I used for oats. I add 2-4 tablespoons of frozen berries or fruit. If it's blueberries, I add a sprinkle of cinnamon. Stir, put in a microwave for 2-2.5 minutes. Hot breakfast! Sometimes I'll toast raw walnuts in the toaster oven on its baking sheet for 3 minutes. I will put a couple of tablespoons of toasted walnuts on the oatmeal I just pulled out of the microwave. I've also been known to spoon some yogurt on top, or even a little left over whipped cream. Leftover toasted walnuts go in a glass container on the counter with a sealing lid. Sometimes it's a different nut, like chopped or slivered toasted almonds. It's a healthy, versatile breakfast on busy days! And it doesn't contain palm oil.

Catnmus's avatar

I feel like the time might be right for my business idea (which I give freely to anyone that wants to implement it). A store that is full of only small-quantity items. Like, 1-2 servings. So many single-person households now. Who wants to buy a massive ketchup and an $8 bottle of a spice that you'll use once, or a pack of 4 chicken breasts, when you're just one person and you like fish and beef and pork also? Yeah, yeah, you could re-wrap and freeze, yada yada. But why not just buy 1 or two? This needs to be a nationwide chain. "Groceries for One".

Hippo Heaven's avatar

It's a great idea, but packaging costs are a killer. I try to find ways of making the large sizes work for me. I agree that spices are a problem. I am not sure what their shelf life is. If I can save money buying 4 chicken breasts, then I'll buy them, cook them all, and then just wrap them for individual servings.

If packaging weren't such an issue, I would probably do things very differently.

Catnmus's avatar

Not everyone has space to make the large sizes work. Fridge space, freezer space, cabinet space. Everything bigger than you need. It adds up.

Trux Mint In Box's avatar

β€œI suppose the problem is that Gen Z is broke. I don’t think this is a novel circumstance for early adulthood. β€œ

This is what cracks me up when I read all these hair on fire articles about how 20 somethings can’t afford to buy a house. What percentage of 20 year olds were ever able to buy a real house without help from an outside source or a very lucrative job right out of college?

Hippo Heaven's avatar

I just posted above that I bought my first house at 27 with the money I saved not eating out.

I realize that not everyone can do this.

Trux Mint In Box's avatar

Don’t tell me it’s about lack of time when most orders are from places literally a 5 minute drive away. And in the city maybe a 10 minute walk. Anyone who ever orders fast food from DoorDash should never complain about their food budget.

Bruce's avatar

I have never, ever been tempted by Instacart or online ordering at the grocery store...but I have deep seated thing about produce. My wife calls it 'talking to the potatoes', but I call it 'picking the right potatoes'. I've watched the online shopper crew at my local Kroger affiliate..[shudder]

But the 90's were the golden era of The Food Network, our home 'cookbook' (other than our beloved, dog-eared, nearly falling apart copy of Joy of Cooking) are a large pile of printed out recipes from various sources online held to the side or our refrigerator by beefy magnet from an old hard drive; I'd say 60% have a Food Network logo on top. Now it's nothing but food game shows :-(

Hippo Heaven's avatar

Tell your wife you're the Potato Whisperer.

SLY_3's avatar

I swear by Gordon Ramsey's Ultimate Cookery Course: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTzMGnJjrsSyDJU9XClzZtuJ6GAIsvRk7&si=3OttVBY-A5Ou7gGG

It's made for British audiences, so none of all that yelling that you see on his game shows.

Elizabeth Schreiter's avatar

Something that really bugs me about this takeout-versus-cooking discourse is that there seems to be a not-insignificant portion of the population who cannot abide the thought of ever eating leftovers. I’m all for halving a recipe to not make a ton of food, but I still cook with the intention of having leftovers, mainly for lunches over the course of the week. I’ll get a family pack of chicken thighs that I make for dinner on Tuesday, and the leftovers become lunches for my husband and I for the rest of the week. He might make a goofy chicken salad, while I’ll just zap them in the microwave for a minute and then eat them or put them into a tortilla if I want something a little more substantial. It’s nice to not have to think too much about what I’m having for lunch for the week!

Something I really miss about that era of Food Network was that there was room for both Alton Brown and Rachael Ray to create shows that served their specific audiences well. As someone who loves a good cooking project on the weekends, I’m way more of a Good Eats kind of person, but Rachael Ray has helped a lot of people put food on the table in an efficient way for a very long time too!

Stephen Robinson's avatar

Yes, you and I are of similar interests! I enjoy making a grand meal on the weekend, but I also have learned to cook with an eye for leftovers. I observed how my mother used to plan out the food for the week.

Elizabeth Schreiter's avatar

If you haven't seen it yet, definitely check out AB's YouTube series Alton Cooks Food. While it's a more pared-down version of Good Eats from a production value perspective, it's an Alton Brown freed from the confines of cable TV which is highly entertaining.

Wayne Allen's avatar

My son just got back from a study abroad semester in England, his university didn't have meal plans so he meal prepped every Sunday and fed himself for 20 quid a week. My go-to in college were bagel pizzas, using jar spaghetti sauce and American cheese.

Dina's avatar

That was the most convoluted recipe for meat sauce for spaghetti I've ever seen in my life. Damn, simmering/cooking things for 30-45 minutes!? I toss hamburger or sausage (or both) in a pan and, while it's browning, throw in diced onion (about half of a big one) and and few cloves of diced garlic. Drain the fat off when the meat is finished browning, add about a tablespoon each of oregano and basil, about 1/2 tablespoon of garlic powder or granules, an 8-ounce (I think, I'm in the UK and still haven't figured out metric, ha ha) can of tomato sauce, one of diced tomatoes (sometimes I'll use my own tomatoes I've grown in the garden and dice 'em up myself), maybe a teaspoon or two of sugar (because tomato sauce here is a lot tangier than in the States), and let simmer while the spaghetti cooks. It ain't fancy like Alton Brown's but it literally takes me 15-20 minutes to throw together and tastes great.

I do a lot of cooking here because, while people complain about the cost of groceries, I think back on my days of grocery shopping in the States and it's a LOT cheaper here (especially fruits and vegetables). We'll have Thai or Indian food delivered (straight from the restaurant, no third-party delivery) once every couple weeks or so when I'm either out of ideas or temporarily out of ingredients and that doesn't exactly break the bank. We have some American friends who visit once a year and I remember them talking about how they use DoorDash all the time. They even have breakfastβ€”fucking BREAKFASTβ€”delivered. I really couldn't relate to that because here I was, making my own sausage-and-egg McMuffins from scratch at home.

Sherry's avatar

I once thought about having door dash get me a burger from across the street because I looked like hell and was too lazy. Once I saw the cost I said fuck it and when to scare the general public instead.

There are great β€œstruggle meals” from pasta and jarred sauce to jazzed up beans and rice using Rice A Roni Spanish rice mix and then opening cans of black beans and tomatoes. Shred jack cheese if you want a splurge.

Now granted I am a foodie and I love to cook plus I don’t have kids but you can spend your relax time making a pot of beans.

Bags of beans were 5 cents growing up. Guess who got to make the pintos for (every damn) dinner? We were poor so that was mom’s way of giving us protein at a good price. Not a fan of pintos but I thinks it’s just PTSD

Stephen Robinson's avatar

Lot of places outside New York have no idea how to package food for delivery. Your overpriced burger and fries can show up ice cold. No thanks.

BrandoG's avatar

One reason I don’t order delivery for a lot of things (like burgers, fries) is there’s little chance it won’t be a soggy mess by the time it gets to me. More likely together it home fresh if you pick it up.

BrandoG's avatar

You have every right to spend your money on DoorDash but spare me the complaints about how much of your budget that’s cutting into. A big chunk of that cost is the delivery feeβ€”you can always pick up your food to go. And restaurants are luxuries because even the higher costs of those meals leave out the tax and tip (which can mean another 30%). In many areas like DC there’s no tax on groceries but there is a tax on meals out.

Sure, you may not like eating canned soups, pastas or rice and beans, and that’s fine! But you’re paying a premium for others to cook and deliver for you and the whiners who act like cooking at home is a bridge too far just show how out of touch they are (Lorenz has a reputation on this it seems).