Show up to vote on referendums and ballot initiatives that protect abortion rights, but realize this and realize it GOOD...YOU WILL NOT BE SAFE UNTIL YOU VOTE THIS SHIT OUT OF OFFICE...your rights to bodily autonomy will NEVER be safe as long as RW garbage is in charge...Referendums protecting your right to abortions is merely a temporary obstacle to them...They have NO INTENTION of honoring them OR the will of the people..
"Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody, a Republican, tried to block the measure from appearing on the ballot, claiming that the language was too ambiguous."
Where was she during the convoluted shit wording of CA's proposition 8
My opinion doesn’t really count as I’m not in Florida to say nothing about my pregnancy ship having sailed years ago, but I’d advise any woman in FL to hold off actually trying to get pregnant until this vote happens. Having to chance a pregnancy going south during this time would be a calamity.
Well it bears mentioning that is WAS FLORIDA Democrats who got this initiative on the ballot in the first place...I'm more concerned about sending democratic support TO Florida from OUTSIDE Florida...We gotta stand with or blue brothers and sisters in the sunshine state
"White Christian nationalists claim they represent the majority but they are very afraid of the true majority expressing itself at the ballot box."
This is the cornerstone of the MAGA movement, not just the White Christian Nationalist part of it (although, separating the White Christian Nationalists from the rest of the different flavors of Trumpism could be really tough...). For almost 9 years now we've been subjected to a steady stream of horse crap about the "silent majority" (actually, a very loud and uncouth minority), "We the People" (if I think the ideas of some "We the People" crank are idiotic, am I giving up my right to be "we" or "people"?), III Percenters (who, I assume, are self-identifying as the 3% of the populace who can't find their ass with both hands, a pair of rubber gloves, and a map), and various other populists who try to disguise their unpopular ideas by proclaiming their popularity very loudly. It undergirds the suppression of voters who don't look like me, gerrymandering, and the refusal of various legislatures to even address issues they find incovenient (some reasonable gun control and Ukraine funding come to mind).
Only recently have they taken off the veil and simply stated what many of us could see clearly in 2015--the GOP is a party dedicated to minority rule, whether that is by kleptocrats, gun-toting thugs, or religious zealots. A consolation prize if we lose this election will be watching the various factions who claim to speak for the people, billionaires, God, or Smith & Wesson fight over who actually is in charge.
In worrying (rightly, in my opinion) about "the terrible tyranny of the majority," we may have lost sight of the dangers of the even more terrible tyranny of an aggreived minority.
American red states: We will hold a vote so that the will of the people is heard and respected. Ok, we'll hold another vote so that this time the will of the legislature is heard and respected.
This constitutional referendum will pass. Sadly, like the felon voting rule, Death Santis will find some way to keep women from being able to use it to get adequate reproductive healthcare. Betcha.
From a democratic perspective, this is a positive development--voters put Republicans in charge of Florida, those Republicans campaigned on doing this, and the voters are getting what they wanted. Now if they have regrets--if they thought Republicans were just play-acting for the extremists, and are now shocked to discover that pols often deliver on their promises--they have a chance this November to undo it--drop that bullshit about Democrats being "socialists" and "defunding the police" or Biden being "senile" and vote for the president who promises to sign a nationwide abortion rights bill that would nullify this crap (and maybe retire Rick Scott, so there's a chance a Democratic Senate can pass it, too). If you choose to not show up because Biden didn't "earn your vote" then fine, reproductive rights aren't important to you.
A positive development that comes on the backs of the suffering of how many pregnant people? With a six week ban in place from May to the election, how many people will die? How many people will be forced to have a baby they do not want for some reason? How many rape victims will be further traumatized just trying to GET care ... let alone the strong possibility of it being denied anyway.
The Dems need to front and center all of the stories of suffering that are going to come out in the next six months and simply hammer that home in every race.
Invariably though, the Florida GOP will weigh whether those who have to carry their rapist's child to term or how many of these preventable deaths caused by complications will occur among their registered voters or those registered as Democrats. It all comes down to acceptable losses for them.
Which is what the Dems have to hammer home. "They don't care about you as people, only what it means to their grip on power and ability to continue doing their donors bidding despite the will of the people."
They must do this--put the real world effects of these laws front and center, put Republicans on the spot. Because there's still a chance to turn this around.
If we blow it this fall--if enough voters stay home or vote third party because "Democrats haven't done enough for me"--well, look for a national abortion ban, or worse. Republicans will go as far as they can if they think there's no electoral down side.
The message I hope voters get is this:
Show up to vote on referendums and ballot initiatives that protect abortion rights, but realize this and realize it GOOD...YOU WILL NOT BE SAFE UNTIL YOU VOTE THIS SHIT OUT OF OFFICE...your rights to bodily autonomy will NEVER be safe as long as RW garbage is in charge...Referendums protecting your right to abortions is merely a temporary obstacle to them...They have NO INTENTION of honoring them OR the will of the people..
you
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"Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody, a Republican, tried to block the measure from appearing on the ballot, claiming that the language was too ambiguous."
Where was she during the convoluted shit wording of CA's proposition 8
My opinion doesn’t really count as I’m not in Florida to say nothing about my pregnancy ship having sailed years ago, but I’d advise any woman in FL to hold off actually trying to get pregnant until this vote happens. Having to chance a pregnancy going south during this time would be a calamity.
If Florida Democrats hammer on this every day they will take over the state. If they prevaricate or try to straddle they will lose badly.
Well it bears mentioning that is WAS FLORIDA Democrats who got this initiative on the ballot in the first place...I'm more concerned about sending democratic support TO Florida from OUTSIDE Florida...We gotta stand with or blue brothers and sisters in the sunshine state
Yes! There are plenty of Democrats even in the reddest of states. We need to support them any way we can.
"White Christian nationalists claim they represent the majority but they are very afraid of the true majority expressing itself at the ballot box."
This is the cornerstone of the MAGA movement, not just the White Christian Nationalist part of it (although, separating the White Christian Nationalists from the rest of the different flavors of Trumpism could be really tough...). For almost 9 years now we've been subjected to a steady stream of horse crap about the "silent majority" (actually, a very loud and uncouth minority), "We the People" (if I think the ideas of some "We the People" crank are idiotic, am I giving up my right to be "we" or "people"?), III Percenters (who, I assume, are self-identifying as the 3% of the populace who can't find their ass with both hands, a pair of rubber gloves, and a map), and various other populists who try to disguise their unpopular ideas by proclaiming their popularity very loudly. It undergirds the suppression of voters who don't look like me, gerrymandering, and the refusal of various legislatures to even address issues they find incovenient (some reasonable gun control and Ukraine funding come to mind).
Only recently have they taken off the veil and simply stated what many of us could see clearly in 2015--the GOP is a party dedicated to minority rule, whether that is by kleptocrats, gun-toting thugs, or religious zealots. A consolation prize if we lose this election will be watching the various factions who claim to speak for the people, billionaires, God, or Smith & Wesson fight over who actually is in charge.
In worrying (rightly, in my opinion) about "the terrible tyranny of the majority," we may have lost sight of the dangers of the even more terrible tyranny of an aggreived minority.
it's almost like the Rs are against Democratic principles and are actively trying to impose their will on the people...
No, not almost.
American red states: We will hold a vote so that the will of the people is heard and respected. Ok, we'll hold another vote so that this time the will of the legislature is heard and respected.
This constitutional referendum will pass. Sadly, like the felon voting rule, Death Santis will find some way to keep women from being able to use it to get adequate reproductive healthcare. Betcha.
From a democratic perspective, this is a positive development--voters put Republicans in charge of Florida, those Republicans campaigned on doing this, and the voters are getting what they wanted. Now if they have regrets--if they thought Republicans were just play-acting for the extremists, and are now shocked to discover that pols often deliver on their promises--they have a chance this November to undo it--drop that bullshit about Democrats being "socialists" and "defunding the police" or Biden being "senile" and vote for the president who promises to sign a nationwide abortion rights bill that would nullify this crap (and maybe retire Rick Scott, so there's a chance a Democratic Senate can pass it, too). If you choose to not show up because Biden didn't "earn your vote" then fine, reproductive rights aren't important to you.
A positive development that comes on the backs of the suffering of how many pregnant people? With a six week ban in place from May to the election, how many people will die? How many people will be forced to have a baby they do not want for some reason? How many rape victims will be further traumatized just trying to GET care ... let alone the strong possibility of it being denied anyway.
The Dems need to front and center all of the stories of suffering that are going to come out in the next six months and simply hammer that home in every race.
100%
Invariably though, the Florida GOP will weigh whether those who have to carry their rapist's child to term or how many of these preventable deaths caused by complications will occur among their registered voters or those registered as Democrats. It all comes down to acceptable losses for them.
Which is what the Dems have to hammer home. "They don't care about you as people, only what it means to their grip on power and ability to continue doing their donors bidding despite the will of the people."
They must do this--put the real world effects of these laws front and center, put Republicans on the spot. Because there's still a chance to turn this around.
If we blow it this fall--if enough voters stay home or vote third party because "Democrats haven't done enough for me"--well, look for a national abortion ban, or worse. Republicans will go as far as they can if they think there's no electoral down side.
Exactly. Put white women front and center in ads just like the candidate in AL did.
Time to mount up, Democrats! We can do this!
We all see the camel's nose is under the tent. The next target is Griswold v. Connecticut.