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vorpal's avatar

Trump can behave like an asshole and refer to Canada as the “51st State” because he’s packing nuclear weapons.

And the result of that was our old, creaking Liberal government which was looking like it was heading for electoral defeat in 2025 won a large minority government and the Conservatives who were crowing about winning a massive majority were shut out and their leader lost his own seat.

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Stephen Robinson's avatar

Very good point!

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Erin's avatar

I'm in these arguments all the damn time with other trans folks. Everyone including my partner accuses Sarah McBride of "refusing to stand up for herself and other trans folks" as if any minute thing she does won't get dissected to the ends of the Earth and back. It's the same reason Key and Peele joked about Obama needing an anger translator. It's the reason Dr. King insisted everyone wear suits. Yeah, it sucks to have to take the high road when everyone on the other side is smearing themselves in shit, but that's always how this stuff has played.

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belfryo's avatar

I really want to understand WHY this double standard is 'allowed' to persist

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Stephen Robinson's avatar

When you are in the 10 percent portion of an argument, you can't engage as if you are in the 90 percent, even if you believe you are 100 percent correct.

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SethTriggs's avatar

Geeeeeeeeeeeeez all they needed was Tim Walz' "Mind your own business." It was right there. Linda1961 earlier has a GREAT response too.

The "best" part is that then big accounts online can ply Democrats for outrage bait, saying Spanberger isn't 'courageous' enough. Aargh!

Indeed, Democrats need to run PERFECT campaigns to get votes; Republicans only need excuses. Let's hope there won't be a bunch of people that use this as an excuse. Because yet again, this is WHY Democrats need to be extra careful what they say and "focus group" it.

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Cateck's avatar

More attacks on public education, and objective reality.

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belfryo's avatar

Sears is SUCH a fucking creep. We should just lead with that

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Linda1961 is woke and proud's avatar

A better attack would be asking the genital police why they are so concerned with other peoples' private parts.

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BrandoG's avatar

Exactly! Take the offense—and get people who don’t know or care about trans issues to suddenly be very invested in stopping these nuts.

RWs are weird freaks and it is beyond insane that liberals don’t try to make more of that. Maybe they feel so self conscious about being called “weird” themselves that they can’t get in the mindset that it’s their bullies who are weird and THEY should be the ones on the defensive.

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BrandoG's avatar

Democrats tend to be overly “focus grouped” but you don’t need a focus group or high paid consultant to speak and think like a regular person. And a regular person can be persuaded towards the trans rights argument even if they don’t know anyone who’s trans—paint a picture of the anti-trans forces getting their way—genital checks, kicking girls off of teams if they “don’t look girly enough” (that could be YOUR daughter if some cruel parent doesn’t want their precious Kaitlin to have to compete with her!). People can relate if you put yourself in their mindset. If you can convince white suburban Americans to favor civil rights for black people they don’t know, you can do this too.

If however you’re so full of your own smug self regard that you can only think and speak like another leftist activist in your college seminar, you’ll come up with dense shit like “this is literally the gas chambers”. Then you can lose elections, and blame people like Spanberger for not being enough of an ally while you took her off her message.

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Suzie Greenburg's avatar

I keep pushing the "why do you want adults inspecting the genitals of children" line. I don't phrase it like that of course, this is for people who say out loud, near me that men shouldn't play women's sports. I ask about how that's measured, how does an official decide that? I happen to already know the answer for most adult sports it's testing hormones. They don't seem to know this. Then I ask them about pre grade 4, which is generaly not sorted by sex. Will an official inspect girls? Or will your peewee soccer league like to pay for blood tests? Would you like to submit your granddaughter to crowds demanding her blood, questioning her body? Etc. I end it with "because where the rubber meets the road, you are saying you want women's and girls' to take their pants off for "officials." And if the tone has gone sideways, I tell them that "for someone who claims to be anti pedophilia, you sure think about children's genitals a lot."

I've had this conversation three times.

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BrandoG's avatar

Better to have it go that way! Then it’s “we can agree that you are ok with checking out kids’ junk”.

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