Fetterman also had the nerve to attack shero Jasmine Crockett for defending herself against MTG's trash talk. IMO, Crockett deserves a Pulitzer for "BLEACH BLONDE BAD BUILT BUTCH BODY" (for which she has filed a copyright, BTW.) 💪🏻💙
Part of Fetterman’s problems is that he *is* largely seen as the “lesser evil” by the majority of Pennsylvanians who held their noses and pulled the lever to save themselves from that idiot Oz.
And now that he knows that, he resents the notion that he should have to do anything to change that paradigm.
Wow getting an attaboy from Princess Meg is as good a kiss of death as everything.
Dems sure loved how Fetterman campaigned, as pointed out below. Well the best we can hope for is he doesn't pull a Manchinenema and fuck us in other ways. What is his voting record like? Hopefully still good.
Just love how he's picked up the wedge grenade and is running with it like he's going for a touchdown.
Also again isn't it interesting how this never happens in the reverse? Nobody seems to have to run for office as a rightwinger and then turn out to be liberal. Like there's some sort of structural advantage in it.
Loved Fetterman for trolling Oz because Oz deserved it. I did know about Fetterman chasing a supposed robber but my understanding is that he made amends (as also noted by others here). That said, if he’s going to become another Synema, nobody needs that shite.
I used to love Bill Maher back in the day but now he’s just a grumpy old man past his sell by date. Give me Denis Leary any day.
“The person who should be pissed at Fetterman is Conor Lamb,” Mystal wrote. “Lamb, not Fetterman, was the rising DNC centrist *star* in PA"
There's a huge silver lining in that statement....Even if we WERE conned in this case, it's clear that regular-folk-democrats PREFER progressive candidates...So that BS faux-wisdom that only centrist dems can win in red states is being proven wrong....I have some hopes for that dude in WV who is running as a dem for the senate....No offense to him in the least, but I'd like to see see some digging around to see if he's for real or not...If I was running as a dem for any office, I would be GLAD to have my bona fides established from an outside vetting source
Seriously, the only thing 'lacking' here is the kind of aggressive vetting system we need to keep thins from happening...
Someone needs to tell fetterman that billo is a right wing chud out to divide the Democrats and that getting his praise is actually a bad thing. And also, never quote the joker. I mean, come in
Maher is pushing that tired fabrication that the "Squad" represents the median Democrat, so it's a big betrayal to Democrats to support Israel. He probably reconciles Biden's own support of Israel by assuming Biden is too senile to have a position.
The thing I liked about Fetterman in the primary is that while he was essentially a mainstream Democrat (and not a "progressive" as some of his fans inferred) he understood how to stay on message. He'd never trash Sanders, or Manchin for that matter, because whenever pulled into any issue that might divide Democrats he focused on attacking Republicans--a wise strategy that shows the gulf between even the most centrist Democrats and the median Republican. This tells everyone to the left of that--from semi-conservative moderate independents to far-left progressives--that they have more in common with each other than those wacko Republicans. It's a unifying tactic that draws clear lines and avoids the foolish tactics of (1) progressives thinking they can win by moving even farther to the Left, and (2) "centrists" thinking they can win by adopting Republican framing and policies, but less so.
The disappointment here is not that Fetterman is taking "anti-progressive" positions--I'm not sure if he's any different than his PA colleague Bob Casey--but rather his messaging, which is part-dickish (he's not just saying "while I understand concerns about Palestinian civilians, Israel still needs to be able to defend itself"--he's frequently mocking Israel-critics on the left and progressives in general) and serving to divide, not unite, the Democratic coalition.
The dickish part isn't new--progressives just didn't mind when it was aimed at Dr. Oz for (frankly petty bullshit) not knowing what Wawa was or only recently moving from New Jersey (honestly, aren't we the same people who didn't mind Hillary moving to New York only months before running for the Senate in 2000? We didn't give a shit then, no one should give a shit now). But the "divide Democrats by adopting GOP framing" is new, and that's the disappointing part.
Great point and it's kinda the institutional disease of Democrats in that they're always freelancing. Because of the way the coalition is structured it's hard to have a unified message. The diverse and tenuous position a number of our Dems are in kinda makes it apparently risky to at least be unified in whatever we like.
Also I do remember Hillary Clinton getting a LOT of criticism out of that, but she won because she really did put in the work. In fact I was proud to vote for her in only my second Federal election. I assume part of this must've been Bill Clinton setting up shop in Harlem (and there was lots of commentary about that, not the less of "oh he's setting up near the BLACKS).
Wasn't his fans that inferred that. Was centrists backing lamb that insisted fetterman was the most radical to ever radical and incidentally were the ones screaming the most about the shotgun incident. Because centrists were against him, progressives adopted him.
Though I could have sworn he did apologize for that incident. Seems to recall reading a thing about the guy he did it to that said that.
Just like Cuellur, Menendez, Manchin, and Synema🤮 We're in this, mess precisely because the DNC shoves racist candidates down our throats. Pelosi campaigned for Cueller, indicted, against a PROGRESSIVE candidate. Progressive policies are popular nationwide but the DNC insists on running moderates. Roe didn't get codified because of moderates. Voting rights failed because of moderates. No universal healthcare because of moderates. MLK had some things to say about them.
TBF, the Dixiecrats became republicans...It's imperative though to make a distinction between democratic LEADERS and the democratic VOTING base...The base is considerably to the left of leadership, barring the obvious exceptions
He was always that guy with the shotgun.
Finally, proof that Fetterman has gone ‘round the deep bend.
🙌 For the Fearless quote. I did a whole scene on a Reddit thread the other day. :crickets:
Please return to your regularly scheduled programming.
BTW, Maher has always been a jerk.
Fetterman also had the nerve to attack shero Jasmine Crockett for defending herself against MTG's trash talk. IMO, Crockett deserves a Pulitzer for "BLEACH BLONDE BAD BUILT BUTCH BODY" (for which she has filed a copyright, BTW.) 💪🏻💙
Crockett filed a copyright? Love it.
Right? Love it!
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4677117-jasmine-crockett-trademark-bleach-blonde-bad-built-butch-body-marjorie-taylor-greene/
Part of Fetterman’s problems is that he *is* largely seen as the “lesser evil” by the majority of Pennsylvanians who held their noses and pulled the lever to save themselves from that idiot Oz.
And now that he knows that, he resents the notion that he should have to do anything to change that paradigm.
So yeah, he’s going to pull a Sinema…
Wow getting an attaboy from Princess Meg is as good a kiss of death as everything.
Dems sure loved how Fetterman campaigned, as pointed out below. Well the best we can hope for is he doesn't pull a Manchinenema and fuck us in other ways. What is his voting record like? Hopefully still good.
Just love how he's picked up the wedge grenade and is running with it like he's going for a touchdown.
Also again isn't it interesting how this never happens in the reverse? Nobody seems to have to run for office as a rightwinger and then turn out to be liberal. Like there's some sort of structural advantage in it.
Loved Fetterman for trolling Oz because Oz deserved it. I did know about Fetterman chasing a supposed robber but my understanding is that he made amends (as also noted by others here). That said, if he’s going to become another Synema, nobody needs that shite.
I used to love Bill Maher back in the day but now he’s just a grumpy old man past his sell by date. Give me Denis Leary any day.
“The person who should be pissed at Fetterman is Conor Lamb,” Mystal wrote. “Lamb, not Fetterman, was the rising DNC centrist *star* in PA"
There's a huge silver lining in that statement....Even if we WERE conned in this case, it's clear that regular-folk-democrats PREFER progressive candidates...So that BS faux-wisdom that only centrist dems can win in red states is being proven wrong....I have some hopes for that dude in WV who is running as a dem for the senate....No offense to him in the least, but I'd like to see see some digging around to see if he's for real or not...If I was running as a dem for any office, I would be GLAD to have my bona fides established from an outside vetting source
Seriously, the only thing 'lacking' here is the kind of aggressive vetting system we need to keep thins from happening...
Someone needs to tell fetterman that billo is a right wing chud out to divide the Democrats and that getting his praise is actually a bad thing. And also, never quote the joker. I mean, come in
I've never liked Fetterman🤮 He's a racist.
Elect someone to our House of Lords, and they start talking like a lord. Once the Trump adventure is over, we need to do a big clean up.
Maher is pushing that tired fabrication that the "Squad" represents the median Democrat, so it's a big betrayal to Democrats to support Israel. He probably reconciles Biden's own support of Israel by assuming Biden is too senile to have a position.
The thing I liked about Fetterman in the primary is that while he was essentially a mainstream Democrat (and not a "progressive" as some of his fans inferred) he understood how to stay on message. He'd never trash Sanders, or Manchin for that matter, because whenever pulled into any issue that might divide Democrats he focused on attacking Republicans--a wise strategy that shows the gulf between even the most centrist Democrats and the median Republican. This tells everyone to the left of that--from semi-conservative moderate independents to far-left progressives--that they have more in common with each other than those wacko Republicans. It's a unifying tactic that draws clear lines and avoids the foolish tactics of (1) progressives thinking they can win by moving even farther to the Left, and (2) "centrists" thinking they can win by adopting Republican framing and policies, but less so.
The disappointment here is not that Fetterman is taking "anti-progressive" positions--I'm not sure if he's any different than his PA colleague Bob Casey--but rather his messaging, which is part-dickish (he's not just saying "while I understand concerns about Palestinian civilians, Israel still needs to be able to defend itself"--he's frequently mocking Israel-critics on the left and progressives in general) and serving to divide, not unite, the Democratic coalition.
The dickish part isn't new--progressives just didn't mind when it was aimed at Dr. Oz for (frankly petty bullshit) not knowing what Wawa was or only recently moving from New Jersey (honestly, aren't we the same people who didn't mind Hillary moving to New York only months before running for the Senate in 2000? We didn't give a shit then, no one should give a shit now). But the "divide Democrats by adopting GOP framing" is new, and that's the disappointing part.
Great point and it's kinda the institutional disease of Democrats in that they're always freelancing. Because of the way the coalition is structured it's hard to have a unified message. The diverse and tenuous position a number of our Dems are in kinda makes it apparently risky to at least be unified in whatever we like.
Also I do remember Hillary Clinton getting a LOT of criticism out of that, but she won because she really did put in the work. In fact I was proud to vote for her in only my second Federal election. I assume part of this must've been Bill Clinton setting up shop in Harlem (and there was lots of commentary about that, not the less of "oh he's setting up near the BLACKS).
Wasn't his fans that inferred that. Was centrists backing lamb that insisted fetterman was the most radical to ever radical and incidentally were the ones screaming the most about the shotgun incident. Because centrists were against him, progressives adopted him.
Though I could have sworn he did apologize for that incident. Seems to recall reading a thing about the guy he did it to that said that.
He did apologize, as I recall. His critics harped on it even after his victim accepted his apology.
I think he justified but never openly apologized. His new buddies on the Right hammered him about this up to the election.
Ah! The "no apology" thing seems to fit his personality now.
It's still disappointing, but a necessary evil I guess.
Absolutely not. Fetterman is a racist. We still have Dixiecrats, er moderates, in the party.
I mean necessary in that we need his vote.
Just like Cuellur, Menendez, Manchin, and Synema🤮 We're in this, mess precisely because the DNC shoves racist candidates down our throats. Pelosi campaigned for Cueller, indicted, against a PROGRESSIVE candidate. Progressive policies are popular nationwide but the DNC insists on running moderates. Roe didn't get codified because of moderates. Voting rights failed because of moderates. No universal healthcare because of moderates. MLK had some things to say about them.
I was hoping Harrison would reform the DNC but it appears he's been subsumed.
Yep😕 People tend to forget about the Dixiecrats.
TBF, the Dixiecrats became republicans...It's imperative though to make a distinction between democratic LEADERS and the democratic VOTING base...The base is considerably to the left of leadership, barring the obvious exceptions