Voters vote for who they think can win. Wile I like Porter I voted for Baccera because I did like his politics but I also liked his chances. Platner’s not perfect so people are left to vote for the one least not perfect.
As for Mace. Time for that white trash to be taken out. As I said elsewhere I hope that she slithers back into anonymity and shut the hell up. Happy Pride beyotch!
[Many Democrats who are horrified by this result want to blame everyone but Gov. Janet Mills, whose campaign was barely comatose, or Chuck Schumer, who somehow thought the party’s best bet was a 78-year-old sitting governor with cratering approval.]
Call me old fashioned, but I tend to blame voters for the way they vote. If American voters voted rationally, we wouldn't be here.
I think some Democrats fear Platner for the Cotham/Fetterman effect, or also what else might come out with the sex pestery. Really, there are worries about anything that gives people an excuse—no matter how tiny—to vote for Collins. Because that kind of thing is only a concern for Democrats under Murc's Law. But hey let's see how it goes.
And LOL for Nancy Mace, the Biggest Fake in the House. Anyway, folks get ready for the general and make sure you have jumped your voter suppression hurdles!
I too fear that Platner could be the next Fetterman. I understand his military PTSD but I also understand Fetterman’s stroke. And, sadly, I really feel like he pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes as to his real motivations.
"Besides, Collins has consistently beaten “generic, milquetoast Democrats.”
As I am sure you all know by now, I live in Maine, and I have watched this in real time over decades. Joe Brennan. Chellie Pingree. Tom Allen. Shenna Bellows. Sara Gideon. All respectable, well vetted candidates who had the right resumes and said all the right things and Collins not only beat them, she *ate their lunch* at election time. She would have eaten the lunch of Janet Mills, our retiring, not-so-popular-anymore governor. What *I* think in-tune political people REALLY don't like about this is that the voting populace is frustrated, angry and fed up and, for good or ill, wants to see that reflected in their candidates. They don't want fancy suits or position papers or moaning about democracy. They don't want to elect people who will just do the same things that got us where we are today. Platner's rise is a giant middle finger to the Dem establishment who are commencing the first stage of grief right now. To paraphrase my girl Bette Davis, fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy election summer!
Well said! Schumer and others in the Dem establishment need to read the room - we are "frustrated, angry, and fed up" as you so aptly put it. Platner has apologized for the Nazi tattoo and had it altered to a non-Nazi one. I believe his excuse that he didn't know that it was a Nazi symbol, because I didn't know it either, until the issue came up. His womanizing was done before his marriage, and the sexting isn't good, but not a deal breaker, as it was to consenting adults. It's between him and his wife.
Platner is a fighter, and in his own way, so is Talarico. I think that both can win, and I hope that Dr. Annie Andrews can beat Graham to join them in the Senate. I am not surprised that Graham won, in spite of being loathed in SC. He kissed trump's ass hard enough to get his endorsement, and he does have seniority in the Senate, which matters.
One of Graham's opponents was a guy named Lynch, I don't know much about him, because I voted in the Democratic primary, and think that all Republicans today are awful. However, there were some ads put out by Graham, or a PAC supporting him, slamming this Lynch guy - claimed that he was some kind of criminal who claimed to have a presidential pardon, but didn't. I have no idea if that was true, but I wondered if it would actually help Lynch, because Republicans clearly don't care if the vote for criminals or not. It may have - he came in second, but it wasn't close. The tagline for the ad was called Lynch "a dangerous lunatic." When talking or writing about trump, "dangerous lunatic" should be used, not simply "lunatic," because not all lunatics are dangerous.
Most Democrats (there is an old white woman contingent here still salty over 2008 who are vowing they are Never Platner, eh, we’ll see) in Maine would agree with you. Susan Collins is a formidable opponent, though, and if she wins again it won’t be because of Nazi tattoos or reddit posts. Time will tell.
I think you are right. The Dem establishment of middle-of-the-road consultants who pushed candidates into inoffensive boringness, and who refused to fight the barrage of culty false populism displayed by unhinged Repubs, have lost their sway. You can only follow a losing playbook for so long before you have to try something different.
Platner is certainly personally flawed, but perhaps he has what it takes to overcome the inertia that has kept Susan Collins in the Senate for so long. Holding the moral high ground is meaningless if you never win. Another D in the Senate would be worth it as long as he isn't hiding some deeper, more destructive flaws.
Time will tell. Stephen seems to underestimate Collins’ political adeptness-she is a different politician here than what out of staters see on TV. I remain skeptical that she will be beaten this cycle either, and that has nothing to do with tattoos or reddit posts. It has to do with the fact that Collins remains singularly focused on what benefits the state, and makes trade offs unpopular with the rest of the (Democratic) country to do so. If you see her ads, she never once mentions Trump or the national GOP. It’s all about how she saved clean water, reigned in the cost of insulin and cured cancer in Maine. Doubt her at her peril.
Voters vote for who they think can win. Wile I like Porter I voted for Baccera because I did like his politics but I also liked his chances. Platner’s not perfect so people are left to vote for the one least not perfect.
As for Mace. Time for that white trash to be taken out. As I said elsewhere I hope that she slithers back into anonymity and shut the hell up. Happy Pride beyotch!
[Many Democrats who are horrified by this result want to blame everyone but Gov. Janet Mills, whose campaign was barely comatose, or Chuck Schumer, who somehow thought the party’s best bet was a 78-year-old sitting governor with cratering approval.]
Call me old fashioned, but I tend to blame voters for the way they vote. If American voters voted rationally, we wouldn't be here.
I think some Democrats fear Platner for the Cotham/Fetterman effect, or also what else might come out with the sex pestery. Really, there are worries about anything that gives people an excuse—no matter how tiny—to vote for Collins. Because that kind of thing is only a concern for Democrats under Murc's Law. But hey let's see how it goes.
And LOL for Nancy Mace, the Biggest Fake in the House. Anyway, folks get ready for the general and make sure you have jumped your voter suppression hurdles!
I too fear that Platner could be the next Fetterman. I understand his military PTSD but I also understand Fetterman’s stroke. And, sadly, I really feel like he pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes as to his real motivations.
"Besides, Collins has consistently beaten “generic, milquetoast Democrats.”
As I am sure you all know by now, I live in Maine, and I have watched this in real time over decades. Joe Brennan. Chellie Pingree. Tom Allen. Shenna Bellows. Sara Gideon. All respectable, well vetted candidates who had the right resumes and said all the right things and Collins not only beat them, she *ate their lunch* at election time. She would have eaten the lunch of Janet Mills, our retiring, not-so-popular-anymore governor. What *I* think in-tune political people REALLY don't like about this is that the voting populace is frustrated, angry and fed up and, for good or ill, wants to see that reflected in their candidates. They don't want fancy suits or position papers or moaning about democracy. They don't want to elect people who will just do the same things that got us where we are today. Platner's rise is a giant middle finger to the Dem establishment who are commencing the first stage of grief right now. To paraphrase my girl Bette Davis, fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy election summer!
Well said! Schumer and others in the Dem establishment need to read the room - we are "frustrated, angry, and fed up" as you so aptly put it. Platner has apologized for the Nazi tattoo and had it altered to a non-Nazi one. I believe his excuse that he didn't know that it was a Nazi symbol, because I didn't know it either, until the issue came up. His womanizing was done before his marriage, and the sexting isn't good, but not a deal breaker, as it was to consenting adults. It's between him and his wife.
Platner is a fighter, and in his own way, so is Talarico. I think that both can win, and I hope that Dr. Annie Andrews can beat Graham to join them in the Senate. I am not surprised that Graham won, in spite of being loathed in SC. He kissed trump's ass hard enough to get his endorsement, and he does have seniority in the Senate, which matters.
One of Graham's opponents was a guy named Lynch, I don't know much about him, because I voted in the Democratic primary, and think that all Republicans today are awful. However, there were some ads put out by Graham, or a PAC supporting him, slamming this Lynch guy - claimed that he was some kind of criminal who claimed to have a presidential pardon, but didn't. I have no idea if that was true, but I wondered if it would actually help Lynch, because Republicans clearly don't care if the vote for criminals or not. It may have - he came in second, but it wasn't close. The tagline for the ad was called Lynch "a dangerous lunatic." When talking or writing about trump, "dangerous lunatic" should be used, not simply "lunatic," because not all lunatics are dangerous.
Most Democrats (there is an old white woman contingent here still salty over 2008 who are vowing they are Never Platner, eh, we’ll see) in Maine would agree with you. Susan Collins is a formidable opponent, though, and if she wins again it won’t be because of Nazi tattoos or reddit posts. Time will tell.
I think you are right. The Dem establishment of middle-of-the-road consultants who pushed candidates into inoffensive boringness, and who refused to fight the barrage of culty false populism displayed by unhinged Repubs, have lost their sway. You can only follow a losing playbook for so long before you have to try something different.
Platner is certainly personally flawed, but perhaps he has what it takes to overcome the inertia that has kept Susan Collins in the Senate for so long. Holding the moral high ground is meaningless if you never win. Another D in the Senate would be worth it as long as he isn't hiding some deeper, more destructive flaws.
He's personally flawed in many of the same ways that LBJ was personally flawed...
We all have personal flaws and foibles. To hear some talk, you'd think he was the first public figure with a past.
Time will tell. Stephen seems to underestimate Collins’ political adeptness-she is a different politician here than what out of staters see on TV. I remain skeptical that she will be beaten this cycle either, and that has nothing to do with tattoos or reddit posts. It has to do with the fact that Collins remains singularly focused on what benefits the state, and makes trade offs unpopular with the rest of the (Democratic) country to do so. If you see her ads, she never once mentions Trump or the national GOP. It’s all about how she saved clean water, reigned in the cost of insulin and cured cancer in Maine. Doubt her at her peril.
I've DEFINITELY learned not to count my chickens over the years
No. I was very hopeful about Sarah Gideon-polls showed her leading right up to election day, and then Collins trounced her. Didn't even need a runoff.