It’s amazing Dowd and Brooks never got picked up and tossed out the front door of The New York Times building like a drunk getting kicked out of a saloon in an old Western.
This is a beyond a dumb war because it is impossible to tell what the goal here is. If it’s ending their nuclear weapons program, then it doesn’t make sense to sink their boats at sea. If it’s regime change, it makes no sense to do this without some inkling of who is to take over. Worse, if we don’t know the goal then neither does Iran so how can they give us what they want?
It’s clear that this is war for the sake of killing led by a man having a nervous breakdown and the media is sanewashing it and Democrats are getting hung up on whether Trump is following proper procedure. This tells the American people that things are normal, but they’re not buying it because there is still no stated goal that makes sense.
The psychopaths are bleeding our treasury to murder as many people as they can and we are watching the implosion of our country as a once great power.
oh and also -- what people fail to remember re: Hillary and Iraq was that at the time, she was NY Senator. People think of NY as NYC, a big liberal place where everyone is anti-war. People forget there are giant chunks of NY that are VERY conservative, and some of those people lost folks in the attacks.
I think she was considering if that if the intelligence WAS correct, and Hussein did have weapons of mass destruction....welp, we all kind of knew where those weapons may be deployed. I still think it was a mistake. A huge one. And I disagreed with it at the time. However! We fully elected a Whole President who also voted in favor of the Iraq War, and it barely got discussed at the time, and is barely discussed even now.
I remember making a similar observation back in 2016 and was pounced on by some left-wing anti-war types who declared, "Oh, well, we damn well knew the Iraq War was bad but Democrats and Hillary refused to listen.” That was my first clue as to how much of a bubble some people exist in — “OK, you and your anti-war friends all protested against Iraq. That’s great but you were still a very clear minority! And you guys reflexively oppose any war!”
Sure, trump's insane, but he's also evil. There are insane people who aren't evil, so it seems unfair to them to just call trump insane. He's also stupid, and there are plenty of stupid people who aren't evil. It's that he's evil, insane, and stupid - what a toxic mix!
I came of age during the Cold War. Many people were afraid of a nuclear war with the USSR, but I wasn't. Sure, it could happen, and the Soviet leaders were evil, but unlike trump, they weren't stupid and insane. Same with the American leaders, except that at least one, Jimmy Carter, wasn't evil. The Americans leading us during the Cold War weren't insane nor stupid. Reagan had Alzheimer's, but at least had competent advisors.
I have neither the skills nor the software, but an AI-generated clip of Trump as Jafar with a parrot JD Iago on his shoulder doing the whole "I'm gonna have a heart attack and die of not surprised" schtick would just about max my USRDA of funny.
Donald Trump is what happens when unchecked malignant narcissism meets unchecked power and privilege. He is a product of parents too self-absorbed, wealthy and out of touch to bother expressing an ounce of affection or discipline towards their tow-headed little monster of a bad seed. Though I also believe he was born evil, a little parenting might have at least made him less destructive. He is instead petty, cruel, vindictive, entirely devoid of empathy and compassion, stupid to begin with and rapidly decaying into a festering mound of dementia and rancorous discord. He is a disease, a cancer, a malodorous malady whose unpleasantness and brutish bloodlust is emblematic of a faulty social order hollowed out by false ideas of American exceptionalism and failed accountability. The disagreeable childhood bully, due to a lifetime of appeasement, has calcified into a world destroying monster that would send Grendel to therapy. And just like his parents refused to deal with him properly, so have nearly all elected and appointed Republicans abandoned all responsibility to deal with this Frankenstein’s monster they have unleashed to wreak havoc. Anyone who seriously thought he was going to be a peace-loving president was either lying or selling something. There is no good in him. Not one ounce of decency. G-d help us all.
We had so much good sense robbed from us. It's just...complete garbage how all the warnings were ignored. And plenty of people had all the excuses so they could mask their true desires. And America is an all time Hall of Fame leader in self-owning.
Let's all hope this clownfuckery ends with as few casualties as possible. Certainly more enemies are made.
AND to only exacerbate things we’ve got hormone raging teenagers in charge of very sensitive subjects and intelligence and weaponry. Patel got rid of 12 members of the Iran intelligence with supposedly more coming. Kegsbreath just wants to go pew pew at the world due to his deep insecurities. You can almost see his priapism at this point when he’s telling us we’re gonna kill more people (but never having the actual balls of McArthur).
Add to this Molotov cocktail of the most insecure insane man who’s always believed in perceived insults to justify his retribution. Hell he even TOLD us he would and for some reason people actually thought that THIS was a lie but nothing else?
Not a single GOP would, in good faith, send their kids to this senseless quagmire. And Kegger did not want women in the military yet one has already been killed.
I’m not sure how I continue to marvel at all the illegal shit they do but everyday is a bad surprise.
I never considered Hillary Clinton to be a warmonger, but what I DID consider her to be was an establishment, bog-standard politician who would always come down on the side of what she and her handlers considered to be in her own political self-interest rather than principle, or best for the country, and I'm sick of that shit. I later voted for her anyway of course, as there was no sensible alternative. Obama took an unpopular-at-the-time stand, and he was right (and smart) to do so.
But anyone who says that the evidence that the whole ginned up mess wasn't clearly foreseeable as the mess it obviously became, and from the obvious lies and foolish excuses that were being offered, is deluded. Hillary knew it, but she made a calculated bet that opposing the rah-rah would be bad for her future prospects, and she bet wrong.
I'm sorry, but if Hillary Clinton had the sense of mouse, or displayed any of that famed nose for bullshit, she would have recognized the "intelligence" for what it was (a lot of people did at the time) and opposed the Iraq War. She probably would have had the 2008 Dem nomination if she had. But she *was* a hawk in the Lindsay Graham mold and Bush was doing what she wanted done, evidence be damned. That it came back to bite her is no one's fault but her own.
Sounds like you’re blaming Hillary Clinton for the war in Iraq.
First of all, Hillary nailed it in 1998, when she observed that there was a “vast, rightwing conspiracy” afoot to bring down the Clintons, which began in Arkansas during Bill Clinton’s early political years. And hating on a strong, smart woman was even more of a popular sport back then than it is now. Hillary was never going to be the Dem candidate in 2008, despite the optics, because once Obama came along, the DNC decided it “wasn’t her turn,” after all. A man will always take priority over a woman, no matter how much more experienced and seasoned the woman is. (Most recent proof of this: Talarico popping up to defeat Crockett in the Texas primary.)
Keep in mind that Hillary was the newly elected Senator from NY in 2001, and the horror of 9/11 was a fresh, gaping national wound. Everyone was rallying around the flag. Your contention that she would have been in the know re: false claims regarding WMDs as pretext for war against Iraq is simply not true. And, to quote from her floor speech in 2002, “This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction.”
I don't blame her for anything. But it undeniably was a horrible error of judgment that cost her her only real shot for what she really wanted, which was to be president.
I get it now. Because Obama said, "What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war ... A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics," trump decided the only thing he could do was the opposite—start a dumb, rash war based on passion (hurt fee-fees) and politics.
It’s amazing Dowd and Brooks never got picked up and tossed out the front door of The New York Times building like a drunk getting kicked out of a saloon in an old Western.
This is a beyond a dumb war because it is impossible to tell what the goal here is. If it’s ending their nuclear weapons program, then it doesn’t make sense to sink their boats at sea. If it’s regime change, it makes no sense to do this without some inkling of who is to take over. Worse, if we don’t know the goal then neither does Iran so how can they give us what they want?
It’s clear that this is war for the sake of killing led by a man having a nervous breakdown and the media is sanewashing it and Democrats are getting hung up on whether Trump is following proper procedure. This tells the American people that things are normal, but they’re not buying it because there is still no stated goal that makes sense.
The psychopaths are bleeding our treasury to murder as many people as they can and we are watching the implosion of our country as a once great power.
Now I'm mad at Susan Sarandon all over again!!!
oh and also -- what people fail to remember re: Hillary and Iraq was that at the time, she was NY Senator. People think of NY as NYC, a big liberal place where everyone is anti-war. People forget there are giant chunks of NY that are VERY conservative, and some of those people lost folks in the attacks.
I think she was considering if that if the intelligence WAS correct, and Hussein did have weapons of mass destruction....welp, we all kind of knew where those weapons may be deployed. I still think it was a mistake. A huge one. And I disagreed with it at the time. However! We fully elected a Whole President who also voted in favor of the Iraq War, and it barely got discussed at the time, and is barely discussed even now.
I remember making a similar observation back in 2016 and was pounced on by some left-wing anti-war types who declared, "Oh, well, we damn well knew the Iraq War was bad but Democrats and Hillary refused to listen.” That was my first clue as to how much of a bubble some people exist in — “OK, you and your anti-war friends all protested against Iraq. That’s great but you were still a very clear minority! And you guys reflexively oppose any war!”
Yeah. And I agree with them - I’m very anti war! But people really forget what post 9/11 was like. Or were not born yet.
Sure, trump's insane, but he's also evil. There are insane people who aren't evil, so it seems unfair to them to just call trump insane. He's also stupid, and there are plenty of stupid people who aren't evil. It's that he's evil, insane, and stupid - what a toxic mix!
I came of age during the Cold War. Many people were afraid of a nuclear war with the USSR, but I wasn't. Sure, it could happen, and the Soviet leaders were evil, but unlike trump, they weren't stupid and insane. Same with the American leaders, except that at least one, Jimmy Carter, wasn't evil. The Americans leading us during the Cold War weren't insane nor stupid. Reagan had Alzheimer's, but at least had competent advisors.
Gem of the day...
"Trump and his evil parrot henchman JD Vance".
I have neither the skills nor the software, but an AI-generated clip of Trump as Jafar with a parrot JD Iago on his shoulder doing the whole "I'm gonna have a heart attack and die of not surprised" schtick would just about max my USRDA of funny.
Donald Trump is what happens when unchecked malignant narcissism meets unchecked power and privilege. He is a product of parents too self-absorbed, wealthy and out of touch to bother expressing an ounce of affection or discipline towards their tow-headed little monster of a bad seed. Though I also believe he was born evil, a little parenting might have at least made him less destructive. He is instead petty, cruel, vindictive, entirely devoid of empathy and compassion, stupid to begin with and rapidly decaying into a festering mound of dementia and rancorous discord. He is a disease, a cancer, a malodorous malady whose unpleasantness and brutish bloodlust is emblematic of a faulty social order hollowed out by false ideas of American exceptionalism and failed accountability. The disagreeable childhood bully, due to a lifetime of appeasement, has calcified into a world destroying monster that would send Grendel to therapy. And just like his parents refused to deal with him properly, so have nearly all elected and appointed Republicans abandoned all responsibility to deal with this Frankenstein’s monster they have unleashed to wreak havoc. Anyone who seriously thought he was going to be a peace-loving president was either lying or selling something. There is no good in him. Not one ounce of decency. G-d help us all.
We had so much good sense robbed from us. It's just...complete garbage how all the warnings were ignored. And plenty of people had all the excuses so they could mask their true desires. And America is an all time Hall of Fame leader in self-owning.
Let's all hope this clownfuckery ends with as few casualties as possible. Certainly more enemies are made.
The only acceptable casualties are Republicans.
AND to only exacerbate things we’ve got hormone raging teenagers in charge of very sensitive subjects and intelligence and weaponry. Patel got rid of 12 members of the Iran intelligence with supposedly more coming. Kegsbreath just wants to go pew pew at the world due to his deep insecurities. You can almost see his priapism at this point when he’s telling us we’re gonna kill more people (but never having the actual balls of McArthur).
Add to this Molotov cocktail of the most insecure insane man who’s always believed in perceived insults to justify his retribution. Hell he even TOLD us he would and for some reason people actually thought that THIS was a lie but nothing else?
Not a single GOP would, in good faith, send their kids to this senseless quagmire. And Kegger did not want women in the military yet one has already been killed.
I’m not sure how I continue to marvel at all the illegal shit they do but everyday is a bad surprise.
I never considered Hillary Clinton to be a warmonger, but what I DID consider her to be was an establishment, bog-standard politician who would always come down on the side of what she and her handlers considered to be in her own political self-interest rather than principle, or best for the country, and I'm sick of that shit. I later voted for her anyway of course, as there was no sensible alternative. Obama took an unpopular-at-the-time stand, and he was right (and smart) to do so.
But anyone who says that the evidence that the whole ginned up mess wasn't clearly foreseeable as the mess it obviously became, and from the obvious lies and foolish excuses that were being offered, is deluded. Hillary knew it, but she made a calculated bet that opposing the rah-rah would be bad for her future prospects, and she bet wrong.
Until 2016, I liked Maureen Dowd and Susan Sarandon. Can't forgive them for their reflexive Hillary hatred.
I'm sorry, but if Hillary Clinton had the sense of mouse, or displayed any of that famed nose for bullshit, she would have recognized the "intelligence" for what it was (a lot of people did at the time) and opposed the Iraq War. She probably would have had the 2008 Dem nomination if she had. But she *was* a hawk in the Lindsay Graham mold and Bush was doing what she wanted done, evidence be damned. That it came back to bite her is no one's fault but her own.
Sounds like you’re blaming Hillary Clinton for the war in Iraq.
First of all, Hillary nailed it in 1998, when she observed that there was a “vast, rightwing conspiracy” afoot to bring down the Clintons, which began in Arkansas during Bill Clinton’s early political years. And hating on a strong, smart woman was even more of a popular sport back then than it is now. Hillary was never going to be the Dem candidate in 2008, despite the optics, because once Obama came along, the DNC decided it “wasn’t her turn,” after all. A man will always take priority over a woman, no matter how much more experienced and seasoned the woman is. (Most recent proof of this: Talarico popping up to defeat Crockett in the Texas primary.)
Keep in mind that Hillary was the newly elected Senator from NY in 2001, and the horror of 9/11 was a fresh, gaping national wound. Everyone was rallying around the flag. Your contention that she would have been in the know re: false claims regarding WMDs as pretext for war against Iraq is simply not true. And, to quote from her floor speech in 2002, “This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction.”
I don't blame her for anything. But it undeniably was a horrible error of judgment that cost her her only real shot for what she really wanted, which was to be president.
I get it now. Because Obama said, "What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war ... A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics," trump decided the only thing he could do was the opposite—start a dumb, rash war based on passion (hurt fee-fees) and politics.
It all makes sense.