Doesn’t help that while Republicans will stop at nothing to subvert free elections and hold power any way they can, we can still count on Blue State governance to shoot ourselves in the ass at every turn.
So let me get this straight. Trump says the elections are rigged. His evidence? Republican Spencer Pratt did not finish in the top two for mayor of LA.
I guess he’s right about Democrat Karen Bass (not too smart); she rigged the election in Democratic LA so that she could run against another Democrat instead of Pratt in the runoff.
Well, unfortunately when you have a party that has its own rightwing media human centipede, anything that's anodyne is a vehicle for conspiracy. And lots of people need any excuse...any tiny one will do...to plausibly vote for the party that gives them the ethnic cleansing they seek.
Ultimately this is an unwinnable situation because of that human centipede. And we all know the permission America gives Republicans under Murc's Law. They'll find some way to punish California for this.
The simple rule with MAGA is, if they aren’t winning, it’s rigged. Not factored in are that they put forth the most abhorrent, repugnant candidates they can. And when Rump spackles on the makeup, he’s stressed.
You can actually go to vote processing centers and watch them process them. The walls are literally transparent.
They process them several times to ensure for no errors.
Also too, how can you vote by mail if you have no permanent address to send them to? That 43k is obviously, bullshit. However if they go and vote in person then they would be counted immediately.
Well yeah, but if you say that you can't give cultists the rage fuel they crave. And it's harder to argue for eliminationist rhetoric against Democrats.
I here you, Steven, about the weird way California runs these primaries and the realized fear that MAGA would exploit it to undermine democracy further.
But, MAGA wants all elections to be done by paper ballots with hand counts (unless it's Trump voting). That would result in even more delay in getting results.
If California announced the results ASAP after the polls closed, trump and other cons would whine about the rigged results. That's if Democrats win and the repubs don't. It doesn't matter how long it takes to count votes, or how quickly the votes are counted, cons are going to whine if the results don't favor them. Sure, California does need to make some changes to ensure a quicker count, but that wouldn't placate the whiners.
Exactly! The gop is going to scream “voter fraud” no matter what, even if dems outnumber thugs 3 to 1. We do have a lot of people so of course it’s going to take longer.
I'm not sure if eliminating the jungle primary would do it, but even if it did, it would only help with the primaries, not with the general election. I like the idea of ranked choice voting, but that seems to make it longer to get the official vote count.
Bottom line - trump did this. He's the one who has undermined confidence in our election results, by whining every single time elections don't go his way. And if it takes longer than an hour after polls close to announce the results, he whines, especially if it's not looking good for him.
The jungle primary is nonsense on a lot of levels, but RCV-which I voted for and like-has a lot of the same efficiency issues. Growing pains, it’s only been in place a few election cycles. But ten days is a loooong time to get results no matter what the process.
I completely agree with you. The process is utter nonsense and practically *begs* the opposition to level charges of fraud.
It's not just California, either. Here in Maine (primary today, going to vote after this post!) we use ranked choice voting. Because the governor's and 2nd CD seats are open, there are a lot of people running, and RCV means counting the ballots over and over. An election official mused they *might* have statewide results "by the Juneteenth holiday" (although I expect we will know the Democratic senate nominee by late tonight or early tomorrow). Ten effing days at the soonest! While I understand and appreciate the commitment to an accurate vote count, there just has to be a more efficient way of tabulating these votes. The longer it goes on, the more suspicious it looks to some people (on both sides really) and the less people trust the results, no evidence of fraud be damned. The process itself counts as evidence to many.
LA has less voters yet it takes them awhile as well. But then, that’s a red state so it doesn’t count. Utah, Oregon and FL do mail in ballots but since the first and the last are GOP it’s also ok.
Until trump, who whines about any election that doesn't go his way, people didn't care how long it took. Yes, early results are welcome, but most people understood the times it took longer to get the results.
If results not favoring trump are announced soon after the polls close, he will whine "rigged!" If results take longer, and are not favoring him, he will whine "rigged!"
ETA: it's primary day in SC also, so I need to get out and vote.
Yeah, it wasn’t until some asshole started screaming about fraud every time he and his party of assholes lost that people started bitching about how long it takes. It takes as long as it takes, get out the popcorn and wait.
Yes, that's baked in. But it doesn't change the fact that the process is glacially slow and inefficient and does a disservice to both candidates and voters. That MAGA would find another reason to bitch doesn't change that.
And people did always bitch about the time it took, there just was no paranoid POTUS to lead the charge of cheating. Fraud wasn't the issue, efficiency was.
Doesn’t help that while Republicans will stop at nothing to subvert free elections and hold power any way they can, we can still count on Blue State governance to shoot ourselves in the ass at every turn.
He is such a whiny piss baby. It's unreal. If I behaved like that at work, I'd be fired immediately.
P.S. - the Rowan Atkinson reference made me LOL.
"It will be ready in the flashest of flashes!"
"Trump might act like end-stage Colonel Kurtz, but Welker didn’t take a perilous boat ride up the Nùng River to Cambodia for this interview."
Thanks for the laugh.
So let me get this straight. Trump says the elections are rigged. His evidence? Republican Spencer Pratt did not finish in the top two for mayor of LA.
I guess he’s right about Democrat Karen Bass (not too smart); she rigged the election in Democratic LA so that she could run against another Democrat instead of Pratt in the runoff.
Well, unfortunately when you have a party that has its own rightwing media human centipede, anything that's anodyne is a vehicle for conspiracy. And lots of people need any excuse...any tiny one will do...to plausibly vote for the party that gives them the ethnic cleansing they seek.
Ultimately this is an unwinnable situation because of that human centipede. And we all know the permission America gives Republicans under Murc's Law. They'll find some way to punish California for this.
The simple rule with MAGA is, if they aren’t winning, it’s rigged. Not factored in are that they put forth the most abhorrent, repugnant candidates they can. And when Rump spackles on the makeup, he’s stressed.
You can actually go to vote processing centers and watch them process them. The walls are literally transparent.
They process them several times to ensure for no errors.
Also too, how can you vote by mail if you have no permanent address to send them to? That 43k is obviously, bullshit. However if they go and vote in person then they would be counted immediately.
So I'm confused, if Democrats are so good at rigging elections, how come the Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the white House?
That would seem to be evidence that Democrats don't rig the elections, at least not effectively, would it not?
Too many Americans fail to use critical thinking skills, instead they use magical thinking skills.
Well yeah, but if you say that you can't give cultists the rage fuel they crave. And it's harder to argue for eliminationist rhetoric against Democrats.
How dare you use logic! Ruins the MAGA narrative.
Brian Beutler has a good article on this as well: https://www.offmessage.net/p/disqualify-spencer-pratt-donald-trump-gavin-newsom-big-lie-ken-martin-dnc-andrew-weissmann-liars-kingdom?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1172514&post_id=201170638&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1659j&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
I here you, Steven, about the weird way California runs these primaries and the realized fear that MAGA would exploit it to undermine democracy further.
But, MAGA wants all elections to be done by paper ballots with hand counts (unless it's Trump voting). That would result in even more delay in getting results.
The Democrats should point that out.
I think the opposite. That want people to vote electronically so they can compromise the machines and manipulate the data.
Also makes it easier for them to whip up more Brooks Brothers riots to stop counts in close elections!
Can you imagine how long it would take to count 23 million paper ballots?
If California announced the results ASAP after the polls closed, trump and other cons would whine about the rigged results. That's if Democrats win and the repubs don't. It doesn't matter how long it takes to count votes, or how quickly the votes are counted, cons are going to whine if the results don't favor them. Sure, California does need to make some changes to ensure a quicker count, but that wouldn't placate the whiners.
Point taken. Remember when Trump argued the 3M popular votes he lost to Hillary Clinton by in 2016 were 3M "illegals" voting in California?
Exactly! The gop is going to scream “voter fraud” no matter what, even if dems outnumber thugs 3 to 1. We do have a lot of people so of course it’s going to take longer.
There's always another thing to point to, but California really does need to tighten up it's processes.
I agree with that, but my main point is that trump is going to whine "rigged" no matter how long it takes if the results don't favor him.
Yup, but to my thoughts that's beside the point really. Like he does *so well*, he's just taking advantage of another messed up system.
How exactly can we make it faster?
I'm not sure if eliminating the jungle primary would do it, but even if it did, it would only help with the primaries, not with the general election. I like the idea of ranked choice voting, but that seems to make it longer to get the official vote count.
Bottom line - trump did this. He's the one who has undermined confidence in our election results, by whining every single time elections don't go his way. And if it takes longer than an hour after polls close to announce the results, he whines, especially if it's not looking good for him.
The jungle primary is nonsense on a lot of levels, but RCV-which I voted for and like-has a lot of the same efficiency issues. Growing pains, it’s only been in place a few election cycles. But ten days is a loooong time to get results no matter what the process.
Not my area of expertise but I’m sure we will find a way. In fact, I am certain some expert is researching that as we speak
I completely agree with you. The process is utter nonsense and practically *begs* the opposition to level charges of fraud.
It's not just California, either. Here in Maine (primary today, going to vote after this post!) we use ranked choice voting. Because the governor's and 2nd CD seats are open, there are a lot of people running, and RCV means counting the ballots over and over. An election official mused they *might* have statewide results "by the Juneteenth holiday" (although I expect we will know the Democratic senate nominee by late tonight or early tomorrow). Ten effing days at the soonest! While I understand and appreciate the commitment to an accurate vote count, there just has to be a more efficient way of tabulating these votes. The longer it goes on, the more suspicious it looks to some people (on both sides really) and the less people trust the results, no evidence of fraud be damned. The process itself counts as evidence to many.
California has 23 million registered voters, Maine has under a million.
LA has less voters yet it takes them awhile as well. But then, that’s a red state so it doesn’t count. Utah, Oregon and FL do mail in ballots but since the first and the last are GOP it’s also ok.
And yet it takes just as long…
That’s my point.
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Until trump, who whines about any election that doesn't go his way, people didn't care how long it took. Yes, early results are welcome, but most people understood the times it took longer to get the results.
If results not favoring trump are announced soon after the polls close, he will whine "rigged!" If results take longer, and are not favoring him, he will whine "rigged!"
ETA: it's primary day in SC also, so I need to get out and vote.
Yeah, it wasn’t until some asshole started screaming about fraud every time he and his party of assholes lost that people started bitching about how long it takes. It takes as long as it takes, get out the popcorn and wait.
We’ll just disagree on a lot of this.
Yes, that's baked in. But it doesn't change the fact that the process is glacially slow and inefficient and does a disservice to both candidates and voters. That MAGA would find another reason to bitch doesn't change that.
And people did always bitch about the time it took, there just was no paranoid POTUS to lead the charge of cheating. Fraud wasn't the issue, efficiency was.