I understand the impulse, but I never want my first thought to be "it's a conspiracy." That way lies madness.
Case in point, some of the dementia patient's own supporters think he staged the WHCD shooting. He trained them to believe in conspiracies, and now he's reaping the results.
I’m a longtime Grateful Dead fan and have long enjoyed the amazing creativity of many in the fan base. One of my favorite things has been the invention of “conspiracy theories” surrounding the band such as the “Cornell ‘77 was a CIA engineered psy-op” or that the band and their crew were just a front for a massive lsd manufacturing/distribution cartel. We all gladly play along (c’mon man, look at the last three letters of Jerry Garcia’s name, man, lol) but you dig into some subreddits and damn, folks are taking this goofy shit seriously. I guess it goes to show if you ingest enough of the right stuff, whether propaganda or actual pharmaceuticals, you can be nudged almost anywhere.
Nothing about that WHCD seemed "well rehearsed" at all. It was just as chaotic and messy as everything else is with them. I completely understand how someone could take the volume of lies and gaslighting that comes out of this administration and say "enough is enough" when faced with a third attempt on Trump that too conveniently puts his precious ballroom back in the spotlight. But I refuse to put on my preachy liberal hat and wag my finger at those people who have been so thoroughly gaslit at this point they have a hard time discerning reality. Because I find myself teetering on that ledge too. I've been disappointed in the amount of finger-wagging think pieces on this from other liberals vs. focusing on the need to fight for the truth and reality we all crave (and need for our sanity).
I still think that there’s something rotten in Denmark here. How it is that every time there’s an assassination attempt not a damn bullet got close to him? I know I’m not just teetering but have my entire self in a conspiracy theory.
When Hinkley attempted to kill Reagan he was in the news constantly but not a peep about what has happened to or much info about Rumps perpetrators after the fact.
Sirhan Sirhan is still remembered and incarcerated. I remember that too as it was all over the news forever and I was only 8 when it happened.
And what about that miraculous healing of the ear?
Orban wanted to stage an attempt to try and win that election.
Nothing is out of the realm of possibility for these liars and cheats. They’ve shown us who they are.
My problem is that at the time of the Butler shooting, I said I couldn't believe it was "staged", because I couldn't accept a reality where a presidential candidate was depraved enough to have two of his supporters injured and a supporter and the shooter murdered just so he could mimic a wrestling move and break a blood capsule behind his ear for "dramatic effect".
I found it both possible and logical that his people could have "moved the flag" and "pre-positioned media" because Donald had planned to say "Fight!Fight!Fight!" with a raised fist AS PART OF HIS SCRIPTED SPEECH and after the shooting and after he went down, he got up and defaulted to the planned media "moneyshot". I also absolutely believed it possible that he had/has selected Secret Service agents for "personal loyalty" over professional competence and that poor choice could result in a near fatal clusterfuck of violated safety protocols. But to actually MURDER people to make Donald look both miraculously spared and heroic? Not possible. (More fool me. A dementing Donald in the throes of existential narcissistic injury has proved himself exponentially more depraved than I could ever imagine and I did a LOT of reading about genocides..)
Of course I always wondered at the voluntary blindness of Trump supporters on Jan6 who didn't seem to understand that they had been invited to the Capitol as potential "collateral damage" - you know, to be killed - in a violent three way clash with "Antifa" protestors and armed LEOs and National Guardsmen.
Now, I just have to accept for unexplained "cosmic" reasons, Donald Trump, who was born a millionaire, led failed business after failed business, inherited $400 M, squandered it, cheated on his wives and cheated business associates, did/does illicit drugs, got in bed with the mob and Russia, raped children and assaulted women, was paid to playact a successful mogul on TV and got himself elected president twice by an unholy coalition of corrupt billionaires and crackpot racists, was very, very lucky that day in Butler, PA, got his ear ticked by something and there is no "meaning" whatsoever in the universe.
See I never had a problem believing he’d have his supporters killed for his benefit. He’s quite clearly a psychopath. I just can’t square him agreeing to have a bullet fired anywhere near him.
Trump lies constantly. No one should believe what he has to say.
Billionaires have subverted and continue to subvert our nation's democratic processes.
Nice church people really did participate in a fifty year long plan to corrupt the judiciary and turn it into a theocratic council of six.
Republicans traffic in lies constantly. They are rewarded more often than not. Even now with everything shit, tens of millions of Americans will still vote for them rather than believe their lying eyes.
Joe Biden was a decent man and a good president (the most progressive of my lifetime... which yes, is sad, but besides the point) who was, on his worst day, more competent and sound of mind than Donald Trump on his best day. Yet he became a senile, drooling failure because eggs expensive even as his opponent proposed adding a large tax on consumers to everything.
Americans still believe in trickle-down economics.
The government has lied repeatedly to the American people in the last 19 months. Whether it's about ICE or vaccines, the lies keep flowing.
So it's not unreasonable to think these men would fake an assassination attempt, even if Occam's razor tells us that maybe the guys who have fucked over and fucked up every government agency also fucked up the Secret Service and it's still really too fucking easy for a man on the edge of sanity to get a gun and decide he's the main character.
Truth was the first victim in the GOP's war on America and we now have to live in and deal with a post-truth society.
Online liberals need to learn that only Democrats are subject to truth and reality. This is why things like "Haitians are eating the dogs and cats" and "Teachers can trans your little boy into a girl despite not having a medical license or operating theater, in one afternoon" can be ridden to electoral success. Conspiracies will only hurt the left especially as plenty of column inches will go to debunking those and providing an excuse for pundits to say, "look, both sides, the left is unhinged too." And there, the conservatives also get to win by playing the refs.
Recognize Murc's Law and adjust tactics accordingly. America's Pilonidal Cyst is a nexus of chaos but he can get away with being such because of the deference in the political and legal systems for the unreconstructed.
Just the other day I had to explain to a liberal that the schools keep cat litter boxes so girls have a place to pee during a lockdown from an armed invader threat.
The truth is still putting on its shoes while that lie travels the globe.
We need the truth to get some slip ons or something.
It’s going to have to be double, triple, even quadruple-checking every single slogan or statement out there. Don’t give an inch for the “well actually” people to come in and stop things dead in its tracks.
Unfortunately, as Democratic policy is redistributive, there’s no incentive for the millionaires and billionaires who own social media (and the attendant algorithms) to stop suppressing the reach of Democratic media there. So the tactic has to be from the ground, people circumventing social media and getting the info out into meatspace. Engaging with rightwing family and friends (if applicable) and walking them through how so much of what goes into the sadopopulism is bullshit.
There’s never any good or easy answers and a lot of us have to dig deep.
The problem is that we don't all share a reality anymore. There are no universal truths that we all accept. News sources are unreliable, everyone turns to the internet and believes what feels right to them. How to fix it? I haven't a clue.
correction: there are no universal truths that the right will RESPECT...I'd say the left (writ large) is MUCH better at accepting the 'kinds' of truth that AREN'T negotiable
I admit to initially thinking that the WHCD shooting was staged, but seeing that video of Miller grabbing his pregnant wife's breasts while using her a human shield, and one of RFK the Lesser running out, and leaving his wife to fend for herself, convinced me otherwise. No way those Alpha males (LOL) would let themselves look like the cowards they are in a staged shooting attempt. Also, someone at Wonkette pointed out that trump can't keep a secret, and would have blabbed about it by now.
It's not that trump is a liar, but that he's promoted conspiracy theories himself, if he thinks that they will help him. They have, but have also created this atmosphere that breeds conspiracy theories, and not all of them are to his benefit. The shooting conspiracy theories are a good example of that. It points to the fact that to a lot of people, if trump is involved, it's not real. He used conspiracy theories to get elected, but he's created a monster that he can't control.
I don’t think the WHCD attempt was staged but it’s very possible the shooter never got a shot off and the wounded SS agent was hit by friendly fire. A competent investigation should clear that up but Trump’s FBI has been gutted so who knows.
Maybe it's because Trump posts and talks about the smallest transgressions against him constantly. He can't shut up about any slight. And yet we hear crickets about the assassination attempts. There's the initial news coverage and then, nothing. Nada. It's like it didn't happen. Assassination attempts used to have wall-to-wall coverage for weeks. Now?
Yeah, while my official position stands with SER against going down the conspiracy theory hole, I TOTALLY can see why people on the left go for these conspiracies...Shit IS weird. I remember after the first attempt how QUICKLY it was out of the news cycles. There seemed to be next to zero interest in doing any deep digs into the perp. An utter lack of curiosity from the administration OR the media. While I do NOT think there was some kind of planned conspiracy, the reaction to it was fucking bizarre and lackluster...
It’s possible to be amazed that Oswald (not a trained sniper, just an ordinary former Marine) could get to a vantage point unobserved where he got three shots off at JFK and two being head shots without also concluding that there was another gunman and Oswald was a patsy. Not to mention the bad luck of Ruby killing him before he could be interrogated and tried. Strange things often just happen and many Americans have a hard time processing that a lone nut could pull off taking out the most powerful man on Earth like that.
With Trump, it’s very odd that he came inches from death but never bothered to order his DOJ to investigate whether his attempted assassin was in cahoots with any of his political opponents, considering Trump has even ordered Comey to be prosecuted for a dumb “8647” post. It’s also weird that Trump doesn’t bring up his assassination attempt constantly the way he keeps going on about how unfairly he was treated in the Russia investigation almost ten years later. (It’s at least plausible his attempted shooter was connected with, or at least sympathetic to, his political opponents, and for Trump to just accept the Biden FBI’s assurances that he was a lone wolf is very out of character). It’s also weird for a coward like Trump who has a known fear of blood to pause for a photogenic fist pump, and for his SS detail to let him, while there was an active shooter. All very weird! However, if it was staged, Trump would have had to know it was staged (otherwise, no fist pump and much DOJ investigation for the next two years) and it’s hard to imagine Trump going along with a plot that could have killed him by mistake. Plus, he’s so demented he’d have given it away by now.
My theory is a lot of liberals believe the shooting was staged because it’s too upsetting to think America came THAT close to sprang so many lives Trump destroyed since then. And fuck Bill Maher fir saying that makes them bad people—he’s just a worthless asshole who deserves to hang with Fetterman.
That's the problem isn't it? Coordinated Political assassinations are DEFINITELY a thing that happens...So its not remotely weird to think that way...And NO DOUBT in the first several years after the JFK assassination the FBI, CIA, etc considered it a distinct possibility...no PROBABILITY that it was coordinated and exhaustively investigated every possible thread. We were in the middle of the cold war FFS...they would have been idiots NOT to assume a coordinated and planned assassination...
If you want know if its a conspiracy theory in the way we mean, just look at the way people TALK about it. Its always a string of of disjunct snippets that fail to create a logical narrative. filling in information that is 'missing' while claiming the fact that its 'missing' is ITSELF a conspiracy....The MOONLANDING WAS FAKE! conspiracy is a textbook example
Donald Trump has turned otherwise insightful, intelligent people into blithering paranoiacs. We have assassination conspiracies, election conspiracies, war conspiracies raining down on us daily, not from the right but from the left. Even those who don't buy into every crank theory have borrowed some aspects of it for their own purposes (were I in California I would not vote for Katie Porter in a primary solely due to her conspiratorial "stolen election" rants after Adam Schiff beat her in the Senate primary). It's tedious nonsense, an unwillingness to face things as they are, and keeps us from focusing on the bad things that actually *are* happening that we might be able to do something about.
It is unfortunate, but it’s pretty much what a serious statewide candidate has to do these days, and it doesn’t mean the election was rigged or stolen. Thanks Citizens United
I wouldn’t vote for her for a lot of reasons, but I am not a Californian so I don’t matter. But she certainly did say the primary election was rigged and dishonest. Which isn’t true, any more than it was when Trump said it. She just didn’t like the process. I can’t blame her, but that doesn’t mean there was anything rigged about it. It’s what we do post-Citizens United.
I understand the impulse, but I never want my first thought to be "it's a conspiracy." That way lies madness.
Case in point, some of the dementia patient's own supporters think he staged the WHCD shooting. He trained them to believe in conspiracies, and now he's reaping the results.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/meet-the-trump-voters-who-believe-he-staged-white-house-correspondents-dinner-shooting
tRump IS a lone fucking gunman
It is also a result of "Steve Flood the zone with shit Bannon"
With so much shit, it becomes harder to sort out the facts from the fictions and the spins.
It's a great reason to take time off from media from time to time and let your brain reset.
After you read your Play Typer Guy, of course!
I think we wouldn’t necessarily say it is The Government doing the conspiracy so much anymore, now it’s individual players.
And they’re doing it because they’re fucking pedophiles, apparently.
Yeah, for me, it’s the crazy NM Epstein shit that makes me doubt everything.
I’m a longtime Grateful Dead fan and have long enjoyed the amazing creativity of many in the fan base. One of my favorite things has been the invention of “conspiracy theories” surrounding the band such as the “Cornell ‘77 was a CIA engineered psy-op” or that the band and their crew were just a front for a massive lsd manufacturing/distribution cartel. We all gladly play along (c’mon man, look at the last three letters of Jerry Garcia’s name, man, lol) but you dig into some subreddits and damn, folks are taking this goofy shit seriously. I guess it goes to show if you ingest enough of the right stuff, whether propaganda or actual pharmaceuticals, you can be nudged almost anywhere.
Nothing about that WHCD seemed "well rehearsed" at all. It was just as chaotic and messy as everything else is with them. I completely understand how someone could take the volume of lies and gaslighting that comes out of this administration and say "enough is enough" when faced with a third attempt on Trump that too conveniently puts his precious ballroom back in the spotlight. But I refuse to put on my preachy liberal hat and wag my finger at those people who have been so thoroughly gaslit at this point they have a hard time discerning reality. Because I find myself teetering on that ledge too. I've been disappointed in the amount of finger-wagging think pieces on this from other liberals vs. focusing on the need to fight for the truth and reality we all crave (and need for our sanity).
Thank you for stating the obvious. I have been appalled by the momentum of belief in conspiracies from my left/progressive friends.
I still think that there’s something rotten in Denmark here. How it is that every time there’s an assassination attempt not a damn bullet got close to him? I know I’m not just teetering but have my entire self in a conspiracy theory.
When Hinkley attempted to kill Reagan he was in the news constantly but not a peep about what has happened to or much info about Rumps perpetrators after the fact.
Sirhan Sirhan is still remembered and incarcerated. I remember that too as it was all over the news forever and I was only 8 when it happened.
And what about that miraculous healing of the ear?
Orban wanted to stage an attempt to try and win that election.
Nothing is out of the realm of possibility for these liars and cheats. They’ve shown us who they are.
My problem is that at the time of the Butler shooting, I said I couldn't believe it was "staged", because I couldn't accept a reality where a presidential candidate was depraved enough to have two of his supporters injured and a supporter and the shooter murdered just so he could mimic a wrestling move and break a blood capsule behind his ear for "dramatic effect".
I found it both possible and logical that his people could have "moved the flag" and "pre-positioned media" because Donald had planned to say "Fight!Fight!Fight!" with a raised fist AS PART OF HIS SCRIPTED SPEECH and after the shooting and after he went down, he got up and defaulted to the planned media "moneyshot". I also absolutely believed it possible that he had/has selected Secret Service agents for "personal loyalty" over professional competence and that poor choice could result in a near fatal clusterfuck of violated safety protocols. But to actually MURDER people to make Donald look both miraculously spared and heroic? Not possible. (More fool me. A dementing Donald in the throes of existential narcissistic injury has proved himself exponentially more depraved than I could ever imagine and I did a LOT of reading about genocides..)
Of course I always wondered at the voluntary blindness of Trump supporters on Jan6 who didn't seem to understand that they had been invited to the Capitol as potential "collateral damage" - you know, to be killed - in a violent three way clash with "Antifa" protestors and armed LEOs and National Guardsmen.
Now, I just have to accept for unexplained "cosmic" reasons, Donald Trump, who was born a millionaire, led failed business after failed business, inherited $400 M, squandered it, cheated on his wives and cheated business associates, did/does illicit drugs, got in bed with the mob and Russia, raped children and assaulted women, was paid to playact a successful mogul on TV and got himself elected president twice by an unholy coalition of corrupt billionaires and crackpot racists, was very, very lucky that day in Butler, PA, got his ear ticked by something and there is no "meaning" whatsoever in the universe.
See I never had a problem believing he’d have his supporters killed for his benefit. He’s quite clearly a psychopath. I just can’t square him agreeing to have a bullet fired anywhere near him.
Trump lies constantly. No one should believe what he has to say.
Billionaires have subverted and continue to subvert our nation's democratic processes.
Nice church people really did participate in a fifty year long plan to corrupt the judiciary and turn it into a theocratic council of six.
Republicans traffic in lies constantly. They are rewarded more often than not. Even now with everything shit, tens of millions of Americans will still vote for them rather than believe their lying eyes.
Joe Biden was a decent man and a good president (the most progressive of my lifetime... which yes, is sad, but besides the point) who was, on his worst day, more competent and sound of mind than Donald Trump on his best day. Yet he became a senile, drooling failure because eggs expensive even as his opponent proposed adding a large tax on consumers to everything.
Americans still believe in trickle-down economics.
The government has lied repeatedly to the American people in the last 19 months. Whether it's about ICE or vaccines, the lies keep flowing.
So it's not unreasonable to think these men would fake an assassination attempt, even if Occam's razor tells us that maybe the guys who have fucked over and fucked up every government agency also fucked up the Secret Service and it's still really too fucking easy for a man on the edge of sanity to get a gun and decide he's the main character.
Truth was the first victim in the GOP's war on America and we now have to live in and deal with a post-truth society.
Online liberals need to learn that only Democrats are subject to truth and reality. This is why things like "Haitians are eating the dogs and cats" and "Teachers can trans your little boy into a girl despite not having a medical license or operating theater, in one afternoon" can be ridden to electoral success. Conspiracies will only hurt the left especially as plenty of column inches will go to debunking those and providing an excuse for pundits to say, "look, both sides, the left is unhinged too." And there, the conservatives also get to win by playing the refs.
Recognize Murc's Law and adjust tactics accordingly. America's Pilonidal Cyst is a nexus of chaos but he can get away with being such because of the deference in the political and legal systems for the unreconstructed.
Just the other day I had to explain to a liberal that the schools keep cat litter boxes so girls have a place to pee during a lockdown from an armed invader threat.
The truth is still putting on its shoes while that lie travels the globe.
We need the truth to get some slip ons or something.
"Recognize Murc's Law and adjust tactics accordingly"
100%. I still don't know WTF that adjusted tactic will look like, but I DO know we need to figure it out
It’s going to have to be double, triple, even quadruple-checking every single slogan or statement out there. Don’t give an inch for the “well actually” people to come in and stop things dead in its tracks.
Unfortunately, as Democratic policy is redistributive, there’s no incentive for the millionaires and billionaires who own social media (and the attendant algorithms) to stop suppressing the reach of Democratic media there. So the tactic has to be from the ground, people circumventing social media and getting the info out into meatspace. Engaging with rightwing family and friends (if applicable) and walking them through how so much of what goes into the sadopopulism is bullshit.
There’s never any good or easy answers and a lot of us have to dig deep.
Yep
Sigh
"... and "Teachers can trans your little boy into a girl despite not having a medical license or operating theater"
Come on now, what do you think theater departments are for? We ALL know about theater kids!
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I could have danced
All night
And STILL had time for more
The problem is that we don't all share a reality anymore. There are no universal truths that we all accept. News sources are unreliable, everyone turns to the internet and believes what feels right to them. How to fix it? I haven't a clue.
correction: there are no universal truths that the right will RESPECT...I'd say the left (writ large) is MUCH better at accepting the 'kinds' of truth that AREN'T negotiable
And this is all before AI infects everything.
I admit to initially thinking that the WHCD shooting was staged, but seeing that video of Miller grabbing his pregnant wife's breasts while using her a human shield, and one of RFK the Lesser running out, and leaving his wife to fend for herself, convinced me otherwise. No way those Alpha males (LOL) would let themselves look like the cowards they are in a staged shooting attempt. Also, someone at Wonkette pointed out that trump can't keep a secret, and would have blabbed about it by now.
It's not that trump is a liar, but that he's promoted conspiracy theories himself, if he thinks that they will help him. They have, but have also created this atmosphere that breeds conspiracy theories, and not all of them are to his benefit. The shooting conspiracy theories are a good example of that. It points to the fact that to a lot of people, if trump is involved, it's not real. He used conspiracy theories to get elected, but he's created a monster that he can't control.
great points
I don’t think the WHCD attempt was staged but it’s very possible the shooter never got a shot off and the wounded SS agent was hit by friendly fire. A competent investigation should clear that up but Trump’s FBI has been gutted so who knows.
Yes, they have been playing the language game like "the agent didn't shoot himself" which in no way nullifies a friendly fire incident.
In Maladministration 2.0, competence is a liability.
Besides, their main business is chaos, and business is good!
Maybe it's because Trump posts and talks about the smallest transgressions against him constantly. He can't shut up about any slight. And yet we hear crickets about the assassination attempts. There's the initial news coverage and then, nothing. Nada. It's like it didn't happen. Assassination attempts used to have wall-to-wall coverage for weeks. Now?
Yeah, while my official position stands with SER against going down the conspiracy theory hole, I TOTALLY can see why people on the left go for these conspiracies...Shit IS weird. I remember after the first attempt how QUICKLY it was out of the news cycles. There seemed to be next to zero interest in doing any deep digs into the perp. An utter lack of curiosity from the administration OR the media. While I do NOT think there was some kind of planned conspiracy, the reaction to it was fucking bizarre and lackluster...
Yep—these are very weird things.
It’s possible to be amazed that Oswald (not a trained sniper, just an ordinary former Marine) could get to a vantage point unobserved where he got three shots off at JFK and two being head shots without also concluding that there was another gunman and Oswald was a patsy. Not to mention the bad luck of Ruby killing him before he could be interrogated and tried. Strange things often just happen and many Americans have a hard time processing that a lone nut could pull off taking out the most powerful man on Earth like that.
With Trump, it’s very odd that he came inches from death but never bothered to order his DOJ to investigate whether his attempted assassin was in cahoots with any of his political opponents, considering Trump has even ordered Comey to be prosecuted for a dumb “8647” post. It’s also weird that Trump doesn’t bring up his assassination attempt constantly the way he keeps going on about how unfairly he was treated in the Russia investigation almost ten years later. (It’s at least plausible his attempted shooter was connected with, or at least sympathetic to, his political opponents, and for Trump to just accept the Biden FBI’s assurances that he was a lone wolf is very out of character). It’s also weird for a coward like Trump who has a known fear of blood to pause for a photogenic fist pump, and for his SS detail to let him, while there was an active shooter. All very weird! However, if it was staged, Trump would have had to know it was staged (otherwise, no fist pump and much DOJ investigation for the next two years) and it’s hard to imagine Trump going along with a plot that could have killed him by mistake. Plus, he’s so demented he’d have given it away by now.
My theory is a lot of liberals believe the shooting was staged because it’s too upsetting to think America came THAT close to sprang so many lives Trump destroyed since then. And fuck Bill Maher fir saying that makes them bad people—he’s just a worthless asshole who deserves to hang with Fetterman.
That's the problem isn't it? Coordinated Political assassinations are DEFINITELY a thing that happens...So its not remotely weird to think that way...And NO DOUBT in the first several years after the JFK assassination the FBI, CIA, etc considered it a distinct possibility...no PROBABILITY that it was coordinated and exhaustively investigated every possible thread. We were in the middle of the cold war FFS...they would have been idiots NOT to assume a coordinated and planned assassination...
If you want know if its a conspiracy theory in the way we mean, just look at the way people TALK about it. Its always a string of of disjunct snippets that fail to create a logical narrative. filling in information that is 'missing' while claiming the fact that its 'missing' is ITSELF a conspiracy....The MOONLANDING WAS FAKE! conspiracy is a textbook example
Donald Trump has turned otherwise insightful, intelligent people into blithering paranoiacs. We have assassination conspiracies, election conspiracies, war conspiracies raining down on us daily, not from the right but from the left. Even those who don't buy into every crank theory have borrowed some aspects of it for their own purposes (were I in California I would not vote for Katie Porter in a primary solely due to her conspiratorial "stolen election" rants after Adam Schiff beat her in the Senate primary). It's tedious nonsense, an unwillingness to face things as they are, and keeps us from focusing on the bad things that actually *are* happening that we might be able to do something about.
I am in California and Schiff absolutely teamed up with the tech bros to take her out. The commercials were relentless.
And now I see Schiff yesterday introduced legislation to bring more AI to schools. I wonder why? Not a conspiracy but it’s really fucked up.
And? That’s garden variety politics, not stealing an election.
Its still a conspiracy technically...We need a different vocabulary for talking about this stuff...LOL!
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Yeah, reprehensible, but unfortunately, garden variety politics.
It is unfortunate, but it’s pretty much what a serious statewide candidate has to do these days, and it doesn’t mean the election was rigged or stolen. Thanks Citizens United
I have not heard her say it was stolen. But she did not take PAC money and he did. That alone makes me want to vote for her.
I wouldn’t vote for her for a lot of reasons, but I am not a Californian so I don’t matter. But she certainly did say the primary election was rigged and dishonest. Which isn’t true, any more than it was when Trump said it. She just didn’t like the process. I can’t blame her, but that doesn’t mean there was anything rigged about it. It’s what we do post-Citizens United.