Sure, trump showed up where young men congregate and told them what they wanted to hear. It's too bad those young men didn't remember trump's first term, which they lived through, or research his life before 2016. They voted for their vibes - they liked trump, but not VP Harris, so now we are all stuck with the evil moron as president. I wonder how those young men feel now about voting for trump, because they are the ones that he will send to fight his war of choice.
Haven't heard of him which tells me he isn't as known as Rogan.
Of course, I don't understand the appeal of Rogan either. He's your high school friend's idiot older brother who graduated a couple years earlier, but doesn't have a job, still lives at home, and smokes weed all the time but pretends to know everything about life and how it REALLY works, but he's somehow made that into a very successful career.
Anyway, if you want to try and copy that success, you need people out there creating content even if you don't agree with them all of the time. Kids aren't going to listen to fifty year-old party hacks and by and large, they probably won't get excited most of the time if you give them the chance to vote for 70 year-old establishment candidates either. I've never heard a 20 year-old say "Wooo! Chuck Schumer! Wooo!"
This isn't the take. Hasan might not have the same numbers as Rogan, but he still has millions which isn't something to scoff at. At the No Kings Rally he attended this weekend, he was swarmed by fans. I've watched enough of him - and Nick Fuentes - to confidently say that they are in no way the same. For Slotkin to even suggest that means she's a middle aged white lady who has never really invested any time in understanding what he's about. He's a really good guy and despite the 9/11 thing that he apologized for, he's not constantly stepping on landmines in what he says. Establishment Dems disavowing him shows why the Democratic party is despised in polling. They aren't paying attention to the leftward shift that's taking place, especially in Gen Z. I guess Zohran and the other progressives that have won since Trump was elected haven't opened the eyes of consultants advising middle-aged Slotkin. I wish she and every centrist who thinks the middle of the country is the "real America" would f*ck off but I'm not that lucky. In the meantime, let's not puff them up as knowing anything about anything. If America wanted a centrist they would not have elected Donald Trump. I can't believe that's not more evident to even smart people.
Slotkin and other establishment Dems need to ditch their consultants and meet the people where we are. Hasan said something stupid, and apologized for it, which means that he's more a of man than trump could ever hope to be. His podcast may not have the reach of Rogan's, but so what? It still has a pretty big reach, and there are probably others as well that Dems could visit. If they still want to do broadcast and cable TV, OK, but going on podcasts will reach more people, especially the young.
I literally think that it'd be impossible for there to be a liberal Joe Rogan because liberalism kinda is not based on telling entitled young men what they want to hear (that women have it easy and minorities and women have too much power).
And social media algorithms, which are designed to push those kind of viewpoints, would suppress liberal voices. Hell, think about how little I see people referring to Brian Tyler Cohen, for example, who is presumably famous. It feels like only my own carefully curated YouTube algorithm picks him up.
"Democrats in Michigan have created a Streisand Effect for left-wing political commentator Hasan Piker, whose existence was likely news to most people"
!!!!
So it wasn't just me then....OK...cool. I kept hearing about him as if he was some new firebrand but was wondering why he never showed up in my curated algorithm. I constantly saw him talked ABOUT (especially on reddit) but had never actually seen him...
So, if not Hasan Piker...then *who* would fit that bill who wouldn't be absolutely skewered in the left wing online identitarian space? "Getting" young men is going to involve elevating (I hate that word but it does apply here) a man at least somewhat comparable to Joe Rogan, and that guy is bound to hold social media published views that won't be abided in lefty spaces (frankly, I often get the idea that the left isn't even interested in attracting young men, mostly because they're men and that in and of itself is an indictment). I'm rambling here but I think my overall point is valid. Joe Rogan isn't MAGA even though he and his audience have sympathy with many of their arguments; any more progressive version of him is not going to be AOC with a penis.
Im a construction worker from Texas . Working class. And if you don’t think that Piker is for working class, than you don’t know the working class.
Sure, trump showed up where young men congregate and told them what they wanted to hear. It's too bad those young men didn't remember trump's first term, which they lived through, or research his life before 2016. They voted for their vibes - they liked trump, but not VP Harris, so now we are all stuck with the evil moron as president. I wonder how those young men feel now about voting for trump, because they are the ones that he will send to fight his war of choice.
Haven't heard of him which tells me he isn't as known as Rogan.
Of course, I don't understand the appeal of Rogan either. He's your high school friend's idiot older brother who graduated a couple years earlier, but doesn't have a job, still lives at home, and smokes weed all the time but pretends to know everything about life and how it REALLY works, but he's somehow made that into a very successful career.
Anyway, if you want to try and copy that success, you need people out there creating content even if you don't agree with them all of the time. Kids aren't going to listen to fifty year-old party hacks and by and large, they probably won't get excited most of the time if you give them the chance to vote for 70 year-old establishment candidates either. I've never heard a 20 year-old say "Wooo! Chuck Schumer! Wooo!"
This isn't the take. Hasan might not have the same numbers as Rogan, but he still has millions which isn't something to scoff at. At the No Kings Rally he attended this weekend, he was swarmed by fans. I've watched enough of him - and Nick Fuentes - to confidently say that they are in no way the same. For Slotkin to even suggest that means she's a middle aged white lady who has never really invested any time in understanding what he's about. He's a really good guy and despite the 9/11 thing that he apologized for, he's not constantly stepping on landmines in what he says. Establishment Dems disavowing him shows why the Democratic party is despised in polling. They aren't paying attention to the leftward shift that's taking place, especially in Gen Z. I guess Zohran and the other progressives that have won since Trump was elected haven't opened the eyes of consultants advising middle-aged Slotkin. I wish she and every centrist who thinks the middle of the country is the "real America" would f*ck off but I'm not that lucky. In the meantime, let's not puff them up as knowing anything about anything. If America wanted a centrist they would not have elected Donald Trump. I can't believe that's not more evident to even smart people.
Slotkin and other establishment Dems need to ditch their consultants and meet the people where we are. Hasan said something stupid, and apologized for it, which means that he's more a of man than trump could ever hope to be. His podcast may not have the reach of Rogan's, but so what? It still has a pretty big reach, and there are probably others as well that Dems could visit. If they still want to do broadcast and cable TV, OK, but going on podcasts will reach more people, especially the young.
I literally think that it'd be impossible for there to be a liberal Joe Rogan because liberalism kinda is not based on telling entitled young men what they want to hear (that women have it easy and minorities and women have too much power).
And social media algorithms, which are designed to push those kind of viewpoints, would suppress liberal voices. Hell, think about how little I see people referring to Brian Tyler Cohen, for example, who is presumably famous. It feels like only my own carefully curated YouTube algorithm picks him up.
"Democrats in Michigan have created a Streisand Effect for left-wing political commentator Hasan Piker, whose existence was likely news to most people"
!!!!
So it wasn't just me then....OK...cool. I kept hearing about him as if he was some new firebrand but was wondering why he never showed up in my curated algorithm. I constantly saw him talked ABOUT (especially on reddit) but had never actually seen him...
So, if not Hasan Piker...then *who* would fit that bill who wouldn't be absolutely skewered in the left wing online identitarian space? "Getting" young men is going to involve elevating (I hate that word but it does apply here) a man at least somewhat comparable to Joe Rogan, and that guy is bound to hold social media published views that won't be abided in lefty spaces (frankly, I often get the idea that the left isn't even interested in attracting young men, mostly because they're men and that in and of itself is an indictment). I'm rambling here but I think my overall point is valid. Joe Rogan isn't MAGA even though he and his audience have sympathy with many of their arguments; any more progressive version of him is not going to be AOC with a penis.